I miss the Michael Bazzell podcast.
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yeah, but you cant trust anything any police officer tells you.
they are liars by policy and anti-intellectual by culture.
I run GrapheneOS because it gives me full control over what my phone does and gives me the ability to restrict access to anything on all applications or uninstall any application I don't want on my phone even if it causes some functionalities to break.
This is how all devices should be by default.
Had lawmakers gotten their heads out of their asses and made actually having control over a device that you own like this a legal requirement for all devices, I wouldn't need to be using GrapheneOS.
I'm considering switching too, I'm tired of feeling helpless.
Out of curiosity, have you had a lot of encounters with apps that won't run because of play integrity? If so, have you managed to work around them in any way?
My banking app. It has been years since I last checked if it works, maybe it works now but I don't care. I just use the browser to do my banking.
I have a little rinky dink credit union that only has a few locations locally, I got there's to work. I even got cash app (the most problematic) to work, zelle works through my bank app, venmo works, everything works. You may have to do a setting workaround for your app that allows Google to be unsandboxed for that app only, or at least that is my understanding of what it's doing.
If I remember right, it was this setting that finally made cash app work, I'm pretty sure my banking app just worked, but if I remember right, that hasn't always been the case.

I haven't tried Graphene, but I think I did get my banking app working on my backup phone running EvolutionX or something. I forgot the name of the ROM. 3-4 years ago when it was my main phone running Lineage, the banking app didn't work and then they messed up the stock ROM with Android 12, I just straight up gave up on Android and moved to iOS. Now Graphene is starting to sound better by the day, but I've since started using a banking app that outright blocks GrapheneOS -.- Suppose there's no way to get around having two phones if I want privacy AND support for all the apps I use.
ah, I had a feeling it'd be like this. Honestly, so long as there's a workaround (such as using my web browser), I'm still happy to switch to something like Graphene.
Thanks!
you can install sandboxed play services for those apps. i created a separate user profile that has it installed for the apps that need it. By creating a separate profile, you isolate all the apps installed on that profile and they don't have access to the data on your main profile
oh wow, that's a really handy feature, I'm feeling a lot more confident that I should switch, now. Thanks!!
it's super simple to install. the hardest thing for you will be to get used to go through more setps to do normal tasks due to the multiple profiles you can create. i recomment you create a profile for banking, one for social stuff, one for google stuff and one for web browsing. the more you isolate each task, the more control you have over your data
If you can't manage the software on your phone, do you really own your phone?
I’m not a criminal, don’t pirate things, don’t have really anything more to hide than anyone does
But I like privacy, I like having some level of trust in my own device to not be sending my information to both my government and foreign ones.
It has nothing to do with crime.
Heck yeah! Let's all be criminals!
Be gay, do crime.
Am I able to use graphene os without being gay?
[Joke] Only if you don't use it for crimes.
Maybe there should be a detainment mode that starts an android 6 emulator. Then they'll just think you're poor.
A privacy-focused operating system may seem more trouble than it’s worth. But when I replaced Google’s Pixel OS with GrapheneOS, I found it to be a transformative experience. For one, the installation was painless, and I didn’t lose any modern software features. Installing aftermarket operating systems used to equal a compromised smartphone experience, but I didn’t find that to be true in the case of GrapheneOS.
Case in point: even though GrapheneOS doesn’t include any Google services, I was surprised to find that you can install the Play Store with relative ease and almost all apps work flawlessly — even most banking ones.
Oh, nice. This sounds promising! I'm adding it to my list: [guix, emacs, graphene]
I've been thinking about switching lately because as this phone gets more updates it keeps gradually getting more annoying. Only trouble is my carrier is Google Fi right now and I don't know if I can reasonably continue using that on Graphene without privacy concerns.
Though, I originally started using it only because it was cheap. I could probably afford to shop carriers soon.
You can use Google Fi if you install sandboxed Play Services and give it a few permissions. It's not as private as it could potentially be, but it's still presumably better than stock.
Also, IMO unless you really need the international features, Google Fi isn't worth the price since US Mobile, Visible, Mint, etc. exist.
because google is constantly datamining the phone, and enshittified alot of it too.
Do all my authenticators still function with it? That's like the only thing holding me back.
Most people aren't trying to make using their phone harder. It's great if that's your hobby, but it really does make things a whole lot harder.
99% of the time you don't notice. Some banking apps don't work (most do) and gpay doesn't work (doesn't matter to me I carry a wallet)
Still have to jump through hoops to even get gapps without compromising the whole point of the OS.
Not being forced to have Google shit in your phone is half the entire point. There are alternatives for nearly everything they do that aren't evil.
I wouldn't call it hoop jumping. It's a great OS not sure what to tell you, sounds like you're resistent to adopting a different view point.
The strength of an OS comes from the available apps/programs. Android and iOS have that in spades, but in order to access it on graphene it's deliberately obtuse. I'm fine running Lineage with gapps or whatever, but it always felt like Graphene was fighting me every step of the way and just getting in the way.
I ran cyanogenmod for years but that was before Google tightened their grip on the reigns and tried to make running anything other than stock a pain.
I too commit the crime of valuing my privacy
"What're you hiding if you're 'innocent'?"
Smh smh smh... "Innocent is a concept, and frankly it's none of your business." Miss those days.
I always heard this "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" attitude/saying attributed to goebbels and went to go find the source.
I fell down the research well and found it's actually from an author I've read but evidently not enough of his work: Upton Sinclair.
The source is The Profits of Religion and "Sinclair attacks institutionalized religion as a 'source of income to parasites, and the natural ally of every form of oppression and exploitation.'"
Seems sadly relevant to today.
Why do you want to scrutinize my personal life's details if I'm innocent?
Innocent until proven guilty should still be a thing.
It is a thing. At least in the US, it's even codified. People constantly pretending it's not a thing and not reprimanding or punishing those who abuse it is turning it into not a thing unfortunately. Shits gotten so bad our head of DoJ and the turdlord president himself declare people "guilty" without punishment, trial, or evidence. It's shocking to me honestly, this shit would've been treason when I was a kid. McCarthyism all over again.
"what're you hiding if you're innocent"
the nastiest furry porn collection you've ever seen
edit: (this is a lie tbh I'm into fairly tame kinks)
I guess I'm a criminal?
Well I guess there isn't any better endorsement of your product for privacy than when the cops tell you not to use it.
And criminals carry guns too... Just sayin'
Ootl: should I be looking up at this phone and OS combo? I'm not entirely happy with mine, I have a Motorola android.
graphene is a good os. the pixel series i'm coming to believe sucks ass because google refuses to make a device that just fucking works (fastboot sucks). do your own threat analysis, of course, but consider other options in the privacy os space if you're looking to reuse old hardware or a more ethical device company
Wow, criminals are using the last vestige of free and private options for a telephone?! Who would have thunk it? Those dasterly devils, them!
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