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[–] Longmactoppedup@aussie.zone 11 points 4 months ago (19 children)

Shall find out if it makes it though graphene OS.

"Presidential alert " Nothing that fuck wit could regurgitate deserves to make it to my device.

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[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

I got a presidential alert in NZ and I was on GrapheneOS at the time. It should work.

Check your settings upfront. There's a whole section called "Wireless emergency alerts". You can even turn on test alerts. I assume you'll get the "everything's OK alarm".

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[–] Longmactoppedup@aussie.zone 1 point 4 months ago

Yes I was looking at those settings earlier. All disabled.

Shall see who's device this is.

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[–] kudra@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

yeah - way to alert my spidey senses, where the fuck does this come from, is it from fucking US servers through Palantir or some shit? Is there info on how exactly it operates anywhere??

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_Broadcast

[–] The_Decryptor@aussie.zone 3 points 4 months ago

It's effectively an SMS message from the cell tower to every device that can receive the signal (Whereas an SMS message is addressed to a specific device), it's been a part of the relevant radio specs since the 90s, we're just slow to adopt it as usual.

Any outside party involvement would be due to outsourcing, nothing inherent to the technology.

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[–] auzy1@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (14 children)

I'm confused. You mean Trump? You wouldn't say that if you were caught in a bushfire mate

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[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The seppos named it as if nobody else exists. Here's what it looks like on GrapheneOS.

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[–] Zagorath 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

Seems like your OS is poorly programmed, or something about your configuration is wrong. Here's what I see on a Pixel running the default Android:

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[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I just tried it on a Pixel 6a with Android 17. It's different again...

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[–] fizzle 1 point 4 months ago (10 children)

If youre caught in a bushfire i dont think a presidential alert is going to help.

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[–] auzy1@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (9 children)

No idea why would disable this here

And there are lots of situations it can help. Bushfire it can because it gives you a bit more time to prepare like what happened at black Saturday

It's like keeping your seatbelt off doesn't make you a badass. It just puts other people at risk. In this case it potentially wastes emergency resources when you ignore the alert and they need to prioritise you

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[–] Longmactoppedup@aussie.zone 0 points 4 months ago (8 children)

If I lived in a bushfire prone area then I would give this more consideration. There is at least 20km of tree cleared suburban hell scape between my urban location and anything close to bush.

As the AusAlert national test is a Critical Alert, you can’t turn it off via your device settings.

I presume the above quote is true for stock android OS. "Your" device. Who owns the device exactly if I don't get a choice in this?

I don't particularly like being told what I can't do with my own device that I paid for. Graphene OS of course has no such restriction on the settings.

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[–] auzy1@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Honestly.. That pisses me off. I couldn't care less if it only affected you, but, if you are affected, emergency service will be forced to waste resources on you.. Instead of using those resources on genuine cases that need it...

It's literally just a priority alert. The AFP aren't taking control of your phone, and there is no evidence you're going to be flooded with alerts either.

Like at Mt feathertop in winter, I've had f**kwits in my hiking group REFUSE to listen, when I say "don't go to the peak, you don't have a ice axe", and their response is always the same "if I slip, I'll take responsibility". Yeah, Alpine SAR will STILL have to fly you out, and if you get injured, their family will STILL blame me. And those resources are completely avoidable

Or VMTC who is encouraging people to "go out and just enjoy yourself and learn what you can withstand" (and I've seen them say this to new hikers who have barely tested their gear), and refuse to ever cancel trips, even with catastrophic conditions forecast.

If the idea of a priority alert is so scary, then so should phone calls, and messages, because the only difference here is that its a area message which ignores silent mode.

If it's abused, sure, makes sense to turn it off. There's no evidence of that

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[–] fizzle -1 points 4 months ago (3 children)

It’s literally just a priority alert. The AFP aren’t taking control of your phone, and there is no evidence you’re going to be flooded with alerts either.

There's absolutely a "slippery slope" argument to be made here. Would you also allow a "feature" which allows rescuers to see your location? Generally I despise slippery slope arguments but in the context of government surveillance steady incremental encroachment is an established strategy. Every step should be resisted.

I’ve had f**kwits in my hiking group REFUSE to listen

These people won't be deterred by an alert on their phone.

My response to your general argument is simply that people have been avoiding disasters without these alerts since the dawn of time. I don't really see the harm in allowing users to disable them.

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[–] auzy1@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

000 can already see your location, and has been for ages (if you click ok). But this is just a cell broadcast, not a two way feature that can magically read where you are..

They haven't always been avoiding disasters. In practice, we've been lucky that we've dodged a lot of them. But, if you speak to the 414 people injured in the black Saturday bushfires, they will tell you a warning would be nice. In fact, early warning systems were something identified explicitly during the royal commission. And, at Monash Uni during the attempted mass shooting, I would have been grateful to see on my phone that there was a active shooting in the uni.. Not because someone told me they heard there is a "sniper"

There is no slippery slope, because if it does get abused with spam, it can be turned off later. It's not a mandatory feature, and never will be. There's no reason to believe it would be compulsory either

This isn't designed to be used because there is a housefire 500m away. It's designed to be used for bigger things, like mass shootings, tsunami, bushfire, etc (and, I'd imagine it is just done as a cell broadcast). If they want to track you, they can simply check that cell tower you're on (they already know who your sim is registered to). But, they don't know your exact location

My point regarding mountaineering, is that I've been in a few "oh shit" moments, and I know people who have been rescued. This isn't for that. However, my experience is that the people who scream the loudest about how independent they are and who ignore safety are always the same ones who demand everyone bends over when it backfires.. I've seen it at EBC, on various walks in Australia, and in other circumstances.

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[–] Cypher@aussie.zone 2 points 4 months ago

Reasoning is wasted on them, they don’t understand the tech and they don’t give a shit about wasting resources.

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[–] fizzle 1 point 4 months ago

I think we might be arguing about different things - youre espousing the merits of an alert system, myself and others are concerned that its mandatory and not able to be disabled.

The slippery slope i mentioned is not because im concerned about spam. If we embrace the government's ability to legislate that devices must perform specific functions, then that sets the foundation for all sorts of future encroachments.

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[–] Longmactoppedup@aussie.zone 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)

Have to agree to disagree here mate.

I have long been pissed off with surveillance capitalists and creepy governments thinking the deserve to own hardware that has been purchased by users.

We don't need an always available direct line to people. How ever noble the excuse they make for it may sound.

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[–] auzy1@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

It's literally a one-way alert.

You keep mentioning "surveillance".

Seriously, installing VicEmergency on your phone gives them far more info

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[–] Zagorath 1 point 4 months ago

It's a broadcast message. The analogy here is if you had a radio. You can tune in to whatever frequency you want. But in an emergency, the government has the power to override every single frequency to ensure everyone gets the emergency notification.