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In the new blog post, Google’s Matthew Forsythe confirms that the developer verification system is slated to come online on September 30 of this year. The initial deployment will be limited to countries with a high level of app scams: Brazil, Indonesia, Singapore, and Thailand.

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Google released its new developer console back in March, inviting external developers the opportunity to pay $25 and verify their identities early. Developers who don’t register will find that their apps cannot be sideloaded on Google-certified Android devices once verification has rolled out. Google says that almost every app in the Play Store is now ready for the change, and a “large majority” of apps outside Google Play have completed verification.

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Google says it will verify the apps in the following stores when it begins enforcing the new restrictions.

Google (Google Play)
Honor (HONOR App Market)
OPlus (OPPO App Market)
Samsung (Galaxy Store)
Transsion (Palm Store)
vivo (V-Appstore)
Xiaomi (GetApps)

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The next step toward verifying apps will come this month as Google deploys a new system service on most certified devices. The package (com.google.android.verifier) will appear on phones and tablets running Android 8 or higher, allowing Google to block the installation of unverified apps. It will remain dormant until verification is activated in your specific region.

In July, Google plans to roll out the new developer APIs and begin testing for “limited distribution” accounts. This is Google’s solution for hobbyists who want to make their own apps and share them with a small group. Limited accounts won’t require a fee or government ID verification, but you can install these apps on up to 20 devices.

In August, the advanced flow will become available globally ahead of verification becoming mandatory in the first markets. As detailed a few months ago, the advanced flow will allow users to bypass verification, but the process isn’t easy. You’ll have to navigate to a buried menu, confirm you understand the risks multiple times, and wait a whole day before completing the process.

And that brings us to September, when Android devices in Brazil, Indonesia, Singapore, and Thailand will begin checking verification status before installing apps. However, things get murky after that. Google will undoubtedly monitor how verification works as millions of users are suddenly limited to verified apps, which could affect how it moves forward. Google says it intends to expand developer verification in 2027, eventually making it a global device policy.

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[+] 161 points 4 months ago (8 children)
  • [–] 45 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Just a waiting game for Linux to save the day again.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago

    I don't know, I'm not hopeful.

    Stallman played a BIG role in the insurgence of Linux (and FOSS in general), but he famously disregards smartphones as he thinks people should just not use them.

    Plus, phones are built different: many have a locked bootloader, and there is no standard like BIOS/UEFI, meaning you must compile a slightly different OS for each model.

    What I'm saying is the mobile ecosystem is built in a way that makes it very difficult for a serious AOSP ecosystem to build up, let alone a different kind of Linux

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Should be a challenge, “how can I help Linux get there?” If more of the general public tech enthusiasts were interested in developing this out, I have no doubt it could be done in months time. Ref: be the change you want to see in the world.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    Best thing we can do is donate to PostmarketOS, and if you can, install it on a compatible phone and make bug reports of what doesn't work.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    The bar for entry for contributing to these projects is too high. Can we instead do work to lower the bar? I don’t want to accept that there’s nothing we can do beside open our wallets. Not that I’m against donating, it’s just that money isn’t my strongest asset.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    I can talk about my experience, i tried to port pmos mainline for my galaxy a40 for a while, until the phone died :( it was not easy of course, but ppl on their supoort channels have always been helpful , and tried to help and even if i didn't finished the port because my phone died, i did my luttle contributions to the wiki adding missing infos, improve some of the steps, adding deatils, etc. I think that every little contribution will help them.

    Also now there is a started port of a40 if anyone is interested to continue it, and also the code for uniloader to boot (kr if u have a spare a40 to donate :) )

    So even if not technical, helps with visibility, donations, documentation upgrade, installation attempts i think will be all welcome.

    About the bar level. Big problem is the lack j of standardization of those devices, and all the different and various lock they put around, so for this one I think the main issue is there should be more standardization or more regulations among various devicee producers , like is with pcs (i. e. Bios, uefi) . Where there aren't locked bootloader, or for installing alternatives u need to go through a satanic rite and sacrifice your youngest relative to unlock the bootloader. And tbh i think they are making a big effort in making all the process at least doable. Maybe if they will get enough attention, or a consortium of producers will try to co e with a standard, thjngs could be better

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  • [–] 91 points 4 months ago

    Hey Google, could you not dictate what I'm allowed to install on my own damn device for my "safety"? I don't need a third parent, and if I had to pick one it wouldn't be you.

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  • [–] 57 points 4 months ago

    May a thousand bricks breach Google HQ's windows.

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  • [–] 36 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Up until now, I haven't been overwhelmingly emotional about all the horrible things happening right now.

    I don't know why this news hit me particularly hard. Reading it made me feel like a part of me died. Got glassy eyed. This kind of feels like the final betrayal in a sense. Not the ultimate betrayal, but one super close to my heart.

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  • [–] 27 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Hey, it's gonna be alright

    • You still will be able to sideload apps, they just add a nasty 24-hour cooldown
    • In the meantime, it's worth having a migration strategy to a mobile OS that actually respects you - be it Graphene, Lineage, or Linux/Sailfish.
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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    be it Graphene, Lineage, or Linux/Sailfish.

    The prob comes when the ONLY mobile OS that work for the things ppl want to do are IOS and Android. We could see a world where MOST web sites are locked behind chain-of-trust reqs. Certainly all the important ones needed for normal life.

    We're not quite there today. But it is the direction.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Then you cancel that service and let them know exactly why you did. Hit them in the only thing they care about - money. One doesn't matter, but 100k would.

    Be the change you want to see.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    One doesn’t matter, but 100k would.

    Yup I agree about that. Financial pressure might be our best hope. Prob is, the HUGE majority of ppl don't care about things like this. Or even know about them. It's too abstract for them.

    TBH I'm not sure Google would care about 100k! There are allegedly about 3-4B Android users in the world. 100k would be like 0.0033%. Maybe 100 million, and they would begin to notice. That's a lot to get on side, tho.

    I dispair badly. So many ppl have no clue when it comes to their own tech future. Also what is their alternative? IOS is even worse in this way. The masses aren't gonna install Graphene or w/e. What alternative may we even suggest to them?

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  • [–] 34 points 4 months ago

    Fuck this shit!

    How greedy are you?

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    GrapheneOS is the way to go

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  • [–] 25 points 4 months ago

    Google, you stick to your guns, I'll stick to mine. Sayonara.

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago

    This is like if Walmart started policing what products Target can sell and policing what products can go into your house, while not bothering to police their own store.

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  • [–] 38 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I hope this leads to the death of Androud and the rise of something more open to replace it. There was a huge market for it when Android came out in competition with Apple's closed model, but now that Google is closing up Android, let's hope alternatives get some attention. Unfortunately, alternatives will mean no tap to pay, no RCS, etc., for a long time, since Apple, Google, et al., turned these things as proprietary as possible, but I'd still like a decent alternative to get enough power to eventually change those things.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    Sooo if I just use adb to disable that service

    com.google.android.verifier

    I wont have to put up with google's bs?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Or just reinstall the OS without google.

    We're about to see a bunch of cell phone repair shops offer this service.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Wym without google? I couldn't find anything related to what ur talking about

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    AOSP is lacking google.

    It actually requires an extra step to install Google when you install an OS on an android device.

    Just go through the process of installing the OS yourself, and skip the "install gapps" step. You'll have a phone without google, and this app blocking shite will have no impact on you

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (5 children)

    Reinstall the os without google? And then have no push notifications? Kinda need push notifs

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Doesn't MicroG (foss reimplementation of Play Services) fix that?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    If thats one of the fixes available to grapheneOS users then yes Im pretty sure thats how you can get push on GOS

    Not super sure you can strip google out of your android install and replace it with MicroG though (id love to be proven wrong though) and my bootloaders locked down (fuck you Semensnug you filthy animals)

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago

    And now I'll never be interested in creating software for android. I hope google's LLMs are up to the task.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    How can I stop it from happening on a Samsung s25? Can I just not update Google services somehow? Atleast until I can import a phone with graphene or Motorola releases one? I dont care about the apps from outside store but I do about the verified device shit.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    I hate this timeline

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    does anyone know why would anyone use any of the mentioned stores instead of the play store? using f-droid has a clear benefit (they are also not on the supported list). but what is the purpose of those mainly manufacturer specific stores?

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Money, and monopolistic behavior. Samsung, for instance, constantly pushes the "Samsung Account" on all their devices. Constantly. For the first two weeks after getting a new Samsung device you will be spammed with "finish setting up your phone" notifications that just want you to sign up for their tracking, and conveniently, when you're logged into a Samsung account, their app store is the default. And you will get notifications from their app store to download or buy whatever app they recommend. I can only assume the other stores mentioned do similar things.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    If you buy a mainland China phone the app store will be local, for example Oppo store, and Play will be only available as a workaround. I think mainland China phones will be unaffected by Google's sideloading restriction.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    yeah, I am also considering buying a huawei phone with HarmonyOS

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Communist cute kitten, I do not advise you get a Huawei phone with HarmonyOS unless you are actually fluent in Chinese, based in China, and not interested in apps outside China. Given your name, 可爱小猫, you might be fluent. But given your use of Lemmy, I doubt you are a mainland local.

    HarmonyOS latest update is a fully localized OS that uses a localized app store and can only run a few non-Chinese apps in a virtual machine, with restricted memory access. If that appeals to you, go for it.

    Edit: Huawei is a special case. It has been heavily sanctioned and has cut ties to the Android ecosystem. Oppo / Oneplus phones are available in China variant, and they run Android. They are pretty much the same as a local phone, as long as your cell provider doesn't IMEI blacklist you. Mine runs on Canadian wireless providers when I'm in Canada.

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  • [+] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    What sort of incompatibilities are present with VoLTE? I've used Graphene for about a year and a half without issue but then again I pretty much only use my phone for calls messages and lemmy

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Maybe Commodore saw this coming and that explains the crazy pricing of their linux flip phone.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    $500?

    I thought that was reasonable. All electronics are expensive these days.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Considering the hardware in it and that it is a flip phone, I'd definitely call it over priced. I realize that it is going to be a low production run and they want to make some money, but $500 is too much for what it offers IMO. I am quite literally the prime market for such a phone, but the price and the forced browser block are stopping me.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago* (7 children)

    So is there a way to bypass this or is basically everyone using a phone that isn't one of the fancy Linux ones essentially fucked?

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  • [–] 31 points 4 months ago*

    https://github.com/woheller69/FreeDroidWarn#solutions

    Here's a copy/paste, sans hyperlinks:

    Developer verification will be enforced on certified devices with Google Play Services installed, which is the majority of Android devices. There are options to bypass the restriction:

    • Use a free, uncensored Android system like /e/os, LineageOS, or GrapheneOS that does not preinstall Google Play Services.
    • "Degoogle" by removing Google Play Services. If it is a system app, you can uninstall it using ADB.
    • Install apps via ADB. Google has already confirmed that ADB will continue to work in the future. You can either use ADB from a PC as described below or use a wireless ADB based installer like anyapk.
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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Android is open source (and also Linux), so there are many custom OSs that aren't "fancy linux", but just Android without Google apps. See: LineageOS, GrapheneOS, e/OS. You might be able to install one of them on your phone if it's compatible!

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Just reinstall the OS without google.

    Or you could buy a new or used device that's already degoogled. Or go to your local phone repair shop and pay them to do it for you.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    Can you do that even if the bootloader is locked (as it is on many phones nowadays)?

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Yeah, you just go into settings and unlock the bootloader.

    If you have some really shitty phone that you can't unlock the bootloader, then you don't own the phone. Put it in the nearest electronics recycling bin, and buy one that you can own. You can buy phones that are already degoogled for a few hundred.

    Fortunately its illegal in many countries to sell a phone whose boot loader can't be unlocked.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Let's see. I won't ever buy a Pixel. And Motorola is... iffy.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    You can buy a used Pixel. Motorola has some useful hardware, but this is about freedom, not best price performance.

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    I’m not happy about this but they really have no choice.

    The android app marketplace is infested with spyware and Android devices were recently found to be the vector for one of if not the worlds biggest botnet (super/bad box).

    If you wanna be able to keep using your os to make ad money you gotta lock it down and since Android is largely open source and used by tons of oems that means locking down some part that you could conceivably do without but no one really will.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    None of this even attempts to address the problem of Google Play (the primary android app marketplace) being filled with malware. Every single app that's being distributed through Google Play today already has a "verified" developer by the same criteria they're applying system-wide. That malware can continue working as it already does without any changes.

    This is exclusively about Google imposing control on all apps distributed through channels that otherwise used to be outside Google's control.

    Google's claimed reasoning is that this control is a good thing and makes them be able to block apps made by malware developers in the same way they already do in Google Play, even for users who install apps from other sources. Critics disagree because Google forcibly taking personal information and money from all software developers and wielding the ability to remotely kill any app they don't like for any reason have far wider consequences than protecting users from malware, and the proliferation of malware on Google Play shows how (in)effective Google's measures against it are. Neither side believes or claims this can or will make Google Play any safer.

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Yes it does.

    It forces developers to register if they wanna distribute software. Now they can’t just pivot to a new identity whenever they’re under investigation.

    It prevents devices from running software from unverified developers. Now the malware developer can’t just use a third party store to bypass the verification requirements.

    That’s both sides of the coin, but wait, there’s more:

    End users can disable it if they’re willing to go without play services or can do their own sideloading and support with a “limited” developer account.

    The end result is not a panacea that fixes every problem with Android but a move to bring the various official android marketplaces in line with the ios app store.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

    It prevents devices from running software from unverified developers. Now the malware developer can’t just use a third party store to bypass the verification requirements.

    they didn't need to use a third party store to begin with. the play store is filled with malware.

    End users can disable it if they’re willing to go without play services or can do their own sideloading and support with a “limited” developer account.

    that is wrong on multiple counts, fortunately they did not lock it down that much (yet). that wouldn't just be very complicated but that would also disable a couple of unrelated features of the phone.

    The end result is not a panacea that fixes every problem with Android but a move to bring the various official android marketplaces in line with the ios app store.

    as if that's a good thing.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Part of what made badbox/superbox so successful (along with the marketing, mlm stuff, glut of cheap arm/risc decoders, environment of 69 fucking subscriptions a month your average person has to maintain just to watch terminator when they get home from a shift) was the presentation of malware payload apps from third party marketplaces alongside “legit” apps from the first party ones.

    It’s the gas station effect. Of course you can trust the Tamriel rebuilt branded rhino pill, it’s on the same rack as the goodys powder and tums!

    That same mixing made it very difficult for everyone trying to figure out what was happening to actually get something taken down. Apps on the play store would be barely legal or skirting the law but interacting with or funneling data around apps from third party stores that were definitely doing something “wrong”.

    When takedown notices were sent for the play store apps they didn’t have any effect on the third party hosted ones.

    So for the whole thing to run how it did, yeah, they needed third party repositories.

    You might not see this as a good thing, but Google does. And tbh they’re right. It’s bad for the minuscule number of users who actually load stuff from third party sources, but its incredibly good for them as a company and a brand.

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    You might not see this as a good thing, but Google does. And tbh they’re right. It’s bad for the minuscule number of users who actually load stuff from third party sources, but its incredibly good for them as a company and a brand.

    oh, sure they are right. it was almost harming their profits! they were on the brink of the current quarter performing worse than the last one! oh, no, the shareholders.. we couldn't want them be starving!

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago (16 children)

    They should police their own store then. Fuck this "oh they have to" shit.

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  • [+] -8 points 4 months ago (15 children)

    This is what it looks like when they police their store.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    This is what it looks like when they try to police the software that's NOT from their store (or their partners).

    All the Google-verified malware that infests Google's marketplace will continue to be a problematic vector after this change. But this change will put obstacles in my attempts to install safe alternatives that are free of malware and not part of Google's junkyard or spyware full of anti-features.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    The phone someone purchased from Samsung isn't "their store" bud. The play store is.

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  • [–] -5 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    And someone can either disable the system service that does this and go without play services (which is their store) or get a “limited” developer account and keep doing whatever they’re doing.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (11 children)

    you have no idea what you are talking about. almost every statement in your comment is incorrect.

    • the system service cannot be disabled
    • the system service does not need to be disabled
    • the system service doing the verification is not the play services component itself, that just installs the verifier
    • "going without play services" is easier said than done, that would break tons of apps, including mandatory banking and gov apps, just to regain your agency of deciding for yourself what apps you want to have
    • disabling play services does not fix the issue
    • disabling play services is not possible on all phones without bricking it
    • a limited or any kind of developer account wont do any good to the user
    • a limited or any kind of developer account would still require you to submit your private info to the advertising giant. even if that actually would be required to keep being install apps, it wouldn't be acceptable

    you have also ignored the other user pointing out that with this change they are going much further than policing their own store (something they have been consistently failing at for many years).

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (10 children)

    This, again, is what policing an application marketplace looks like.

    The point isn’t to protect you the user, but to protect the reputation of their platform. Right now, and I know this isn’t easy to hear, Android is the scam/insecure platform.

    I am a user of Android devices everyday, btw, not just some random hater.

    From googles perspective it doesn’t matter if users are unable to anonymously install whatever they want if the various marketplaces and therefore the Android platform gains trust in the eyes of consumers (and law enforcement/security professionals).

    They aren’t policing their platform to protect you, they’re doing it to protect themselves.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Its shocking how wrong you are in everything you've said. Give up on this conversation and let the grown ups talk

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Point it out or stop breaking the rules of the com and instance.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    As others have said, its been pointed out several times. You don't care. You will continue to make up random shit. You are truly an exhausting person to talk to.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    No one’s sitting you down in front of your logged in lemmy account and forcing you to reply. If you’re exhausted then take care of yourself first instead of engaging. It’s not gonna make me feel bad.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Its not supposed to make you feel bad moron. Its supposed to make you reflect. Apparently that's too high of a concept for a retard like you.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    Again, if exhaustion is getting to you, you don’t have to reply.

    You can take a break and relax, there’s no big time crunch here, the same posts and replies will still be around tomorrow or the day after.

    Put yourself first, call it a self-care day!

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    it have been fucking pointed out on many points, and you are just ignoring it, coming up with other outrageously incorrect statements.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    I really try not to get into a back and forth over technical details because in my experience it boils down to “you said uninstall but actually nothing is removed and it was disabled”.

    But if you really think there’s something I said that isn’t imprecise language or technical nuance point it out.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    This, again, is what policing an application marketplace looks like.

    do you have issues with reading comprehension? the marketplace stops right at the google play store. that is their marketplace, nothing more.

    From googles perspective it doesn’t matter if users are unable to anonymously install whatever they want

    I'm sure about that, and they are also happy for the increased amount of analytics. apps a user knows is a good way to make an advertising profile more accurate.

    if the various marketplaces and therefore the Android platform gains trust in the eyes of consumers (and law enforcement/security professionals).

    google can only thank that for its own false advertising, promising "security", lockdown against the owner for the advantage of the businesses. android phones should not be about the device owned by your bank and your government, but the thing owned by the individual who uses it.

    They aren’t policing their platform to protect you, they’re doing it to protect themselves.

    and that's a huge problem, because they are trampling on ownership rights. they are making money out of nullifying the right to privacy, and actually by convincing people that it is an obsolete right, and that they should criticize their peers who want privacy.
    they can only protect themselves in such an abusive manner because they have an effective monopoly. if google did not become too big, people could just say no to all this bullshit.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    “He who can destroy a thing, controls that thing.”

    Of course, we don’t need to get into sci fi philosophy to recognize that Android is googles os.

    Google has the ability to restrict who can install what from what repo and as such “the Samsung store isn’t the play store” isn’t much of an argument.

    I don’t think anyone would say that the Android marketplace stops at the play store and Google certainly doesn’t say that. They’re in control of Android, they’re policing the Android software marketplace. Apologies if that wasn’t clear.

    It would be really hard to prove that Google is trampling on ownership rights here considering you can install from third party sources by either registering a dev account or disabling the set of services and software that implements the system, going without play services and using whatever third party store you want.

    (Or even just in the articles own words “ the advanced flow will allow users to bypass verification, but the process isn’t easy. You’ll have to navigate to a buried menu, confirm you understand the risks multiple times, and wait a whole day before completing the process.”)

    And no matter how you feel about it at the moment there is no recognized right to install whatever you want on your phone. It’s unlikely there will be one in the near future either because such a right is counter to the interests of the surveillance state.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago*

    Google already does what it should: sideloading apps requires you to manually approve the source, and when you do, a popup appears warning user of potential dangers. No need to play daddy any more than this.

    Having a locked ecosystem is very convenient and profitable for Google, but terrible for its users. Google wants this walled garden not out of safety, but to get a tight grip on the app stores - and get a solid buck while doing it.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    look, I trust F-droid and open source apps more than I trust the sponsored garbage on play store alongside shit like kalshi and candycrush. The security point is moot. The call is coming from inside the house.

    As for ad money, being one of the most grossly profitable corporations in the world isn't enough? Must line go up always? At what point is having an absurd amount of profit enough? Where is the line?

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