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[–] 30 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

I'd wager most leftists were liberals before becoming leftists.

So this may convert some new brethren!
Welcome aboard! Fill this glass bottle with gasoline and pass it on.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago

    I’d wager most leftists were liberals before becoming leftists.

    Well, every person born in the west (and most other parts of the world these days) gets drenched in either liberal and/or fascist ideology (or, more usually, a combination of both) from birth... so that's not exactly a risky wager on your part.

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  • [–] 56 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Already libs are down voting and its only been a minute

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  • [–] 33 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Liberals thinking they're part of the left because reactionaries hate them. Surprise, I don't like them either just for different reasons?

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  • [–] 39 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Any of the anarchist meme communities on lemmy

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  • [+] -33 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Agreed, if you consider anarchist leftist and not closet-libertarians

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  • [–] 32 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Is this even in question? Anarchism quite clearly fits within the sphere of libertarian ideas.

    The weird part is thinking that's a bad thing or somehow incompatible with leftism.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago

    ...what kind of definition of libertarian do you have, that anarchists aren't included in it?

    Edit: There are non-leftist anarchists, like the whole post-left thing, but I have a feeling that's not what you mean

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)
    • French anarcho-communists invent the synonym "libertarian"
    • US fascists locally co-opt the word to obfuscate the inseparable nature of capital and state
    • Person on explicitly leftist forums vibe checks that by "anachist" you didn't mean "libertarian"

    I'm tired, boss 😂

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Anarchist is considered libertarian left, while what we typically call Libertarian is libertarian right. Yes, Anarchist is libertarian, but with an emphasis on the welfare of people, while libertarian right is usually about the freedom of businesses to exploit the people.

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    It's always the most rancid take from a .world account.

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  • [–] 34 points 4 months ago

    People on this platform want to be victims so bad. There's more posts about people complaining about other people complaining about them then there actually is.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Good.

    If they weren't it would essentially mean we've lost all relevance.

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  • [–] [S] -5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (39 children)

    You seem to be thinking how a nationalist (or transnationalist if you simp for the EU) chauvinist liberal...

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 4 months ago* (38 children)

    I'm not even from the USA lol, literally from Europe.

    The EU is a union of financial capital and a bastion of it's own reactionary neo-colonialism and imperialism...

    Also you don't sound like a socialist TBH

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  • [+] -11 points 4 months ago (37 children)

    Hearing the word "reactionary" from a self-proclaimed leftist is a red flag, because it's used the same way right-wingers use "woke". Basically most can't define it without looking it up, or explain how it applies to what they're critiquing.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    It's common knowledge for every socialist TBH

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  • [–] -5 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    A reactionary is somebody who wants to restore a previous status quo. Which us not something the EU is trying to do.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    In the socialist/Marxist context it's used differently just FYI

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Someone who opposes either an established socialist revolution or is actively defending the capitalist system (e.g. through institutionalized violence, legislation or direct violence through military actions etc. etc.)

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Does defending a capitalist system through legislation refer to all legislation aimed to defend the system, e.g. ban on firearms, or just legislation that singles out socialist movements?

    I'm assuming institutionalized violence refers to extralegal violence and/or bias in how the law is applied, by disproportionately targeting socialist groups, while turning a blind eye to other groups?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    structural violence is more of the idea that all of the wealth that has been accumulated throughout the millenia has been done first with the sword, then with the lance, then with the gun, and of lately, with the bomb. if we ceased all military action of all kinds tomorrow, the intrinsic status quo would be one reflective of a racist, sexist, homophobic, and transphobic class based hierarchy. in order to challenge that status quo we can't tolerate anyone who prevents us from challenging these underlying inequitable hegemonies by disrupting the solidarity of the working people.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (29 children)

    Hearing the word “reactionary” from a self-proclaimed leftist is a red flag,

    Oh my good lord... where the fuck do you liberals get this kind of garbage from? PragerU?

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  • [+] -10 points 4 months ago (28 children)

    Actually based on simple observation, like the fact that I'm seemingly the only one here who has defined "reactionary".

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (27 children)

    I’m seemingly the only one here who has defined “reactionary”.

    And since when do you get to "define" terms that you obviously don't understand?

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  • [+] -6 points 4 months ago (26 children)

    I've yet to see any evidence that you know what a reactionary is.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (25 children)

    Read carefully, shitlib... try to keep up.

    Since when do you get to “define” terms that you obviously do not understand?

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  • [+] -7 points 4 months ago (24 children)

    You're using "reactionary" the same way right wingers use "woke", but you can't admit that. But you also can't provide a definition, because then the label becomes testable.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (23 children)

    You’re using “reactionary” the same way right wingers use “woke”,

    Again... where the fuck do you shitlibs get this kind of inane garbage from? Ben Shapiro? Jordan Peterson, perhaps?

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  • [+] -6 points 4 months ago (22 children)

    Given that I'm the only one here who can define "reactionary", I'm the only real leftist here.

    Educate yourself, please: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactionary

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (21 children)

    Given that I’m the only one

    So you actually read all that and you still don't have the foggiest clue what it is you are talking about?

    What's the matter, shitlib? Don't you like it that we have terms for people like you?

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (20 children)

    I clearly have more of a clue than you.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (19 children)

    Does being called a reactionary by actual leftists make you want to cry, shitlib?

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    So that's a yes?

    Have you ever tried not being such a REACTIONARY, shitlib?

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (16 children)

    Have you ever tried reading a book, lumpenprol?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (15 children)

    Are you crying, shitlib?

    Are you crying because I called you, an obvious shitlib right-wing REACTIONARY, exactly that which you are - a shitlib right-wing REACTIONARY?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (13 children)

    Oh, look... the obvious right-wing shitlib REACTIONARY who came on here to pretend they weren't a right-wing shitlib REACTIONARY is sore because somebody on here called them a right-wing shitlib REACTIONARY.

    Crawl back to whatever liberal brain-trust sent you here and tell them how mean us radicals were to you because we didn't fall for your crappy, pretend-left REACTIONARY schtick, okay?

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    Better a loser than a REACTIONARY loser, eh shitlib?

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    Stop being such a sore loser, shitlib.

    Instead, why don't you tell me what it actually is you thought you were going to accomplish here?

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Okay, so basically, I'm worried about death. Like, what happens after you die? Is there an afterlife, and so on. Have you listened to "Seele Mein" by Eisregen?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (6 children)

    Okay, so basically, I’m worried about death.

    Have you ever tried not worrying about death?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (5 children)

    It's surprising how inane your comments are. Sort of amusing, though.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Why don't you stop fucking around, and tell me what it actually is you thought you were going to accomplish here?

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    You're like a poor version of Elon Musk.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    I am only miffed you used Videl instead of the actual Libertarian of the group.
    Provided weapons to the Nazis, witheld technology to the poor, control cures to diseases, hold power and influence across the universe, married a genocidal prince. And I am supposed to like’m.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (4 children)

    Okay, please educate me...

    Aren't liberals left wing? As in, to the left of the political center? In Canada our Liberal government is considered to be center left. Just how much is debatable, but left.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    (neo)liberalism is the political center (for all of the west, atleast for now but it stands on shaky legs), center left is for example social democracy and center right would be christian democracy.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Well damn. I'll look into this further later today when I'm not at work, but I honestly believed that liberals were center left with Tory conservatives being center right.

    If you have any links to informative articles I'd appreciate them. Never too old to learn things.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Depends on who you ask really. According to the classical definition leftism begins at anti-capitalism. According to the mainstream, the left begins at government social programs. (srry if i made any typos)

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  • [+] -11 points 4 months ago* (5 children)
  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    Dae tankie bad?

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