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[–] 12 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

Ask yourself: what do you want to versus need to protect and why? Privacy for the sake of privacy is a waste of time, energy and other material, physical and mental resources. Formulate your threat model by spending some time with a pen and paper, answering the above question.

With that out of the way: I buy vouchers, because there is a physical retailer in my country that sells them and they are thankfully not hardcore affiliated with big tech yet. Previously, I used to pay with credit card, since PII is not saved it their payment tokens and even the tokens get deleted after six months, I believe it was.

If you need anonymity and you need to leave no trace of you having purchased Mullvad, use cash. Don't forget to put on vinyl gloves. Withdraw a vastly different amount of money from the ATM than the cost of the subscription fee in question. Deposit the envelope at a postal office - or box - not in your neighborhood.

Edit: I just recalled, that I did try paying with cash once. Worked like a charm. Naturally, there was a delay.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Privacy for the sake of privacy is a waste of ...

    Privacy for the sake of privacy normalizes privacy. You shouldn't only need to be private when you have something to hide.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I agree! However, there are technological hurdles that normies need to overcome in order to gain even the slightes amount of privacy. These hurdles can be daunting. And being privacy conscious at all comes with social stigmatization. I'd rather see people take small steps towards learning how to manage their digital footprint - or whatever parameters they need to make adjustments to in order to gain privacy - and at the same time gain confidence and pride in those small steps than seeing them become overwhelmed by pursuing privacy because "it's a thing" and getting exhausted, burned out and losing hope and motivation in the process.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Define "worth it." I think Mullvad is a tad expensive but for protection while surfing the web it's a good service. And the fact that they take mail-in cash is unique.

    You can just look for a pre-paid credit card wherever you are. You may have to sacrifice your name and number but you don't have to wrestle with the post office.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    But how do you buy Monero. Asking as someone who has never used Crypto.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago* (5 children)

    Several ways:

    1. Sell a good/service on XMRBazaar.com

    2. RetoSwap.com is a software you download that is a peer to peer decentralized exchange. You can pay others with whatever payment methods are supported PayPal, Zelle, Cash App, Amazon gift cards, cash-in-mail, etc.

    3. Centralized exchange (not recommended) you can give all of your KYC information to a centralized exchange such as Coinbase and buy something like USDC on there and then use an instant swap service such as trocador.app to convert the USDC into Monero.

    4. Mine it with your CPU: This is the slowest way but also the most permissionless

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Yes, its meant to be CPU mineable

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    (Different person than you replied to) Does that have a positive return, vs the electricity you gotta use?

    No agenda for the question. I sincerely have no idea about it. I'd venture a guess tho, that if there was a positive return, ppl would do it at scale and drive down the return. And maybe they'd do it in places with very cheap power.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    second this, used to buy them with kraken but it now requires an ID which kinda defeats the whole anonymous purchase

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago

    Sure kraken knows you bought moneo, but once it's off their servers they don't know what you spent it it. It's like going to a ATM, the bank knows what you took out, but not where the money went.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago*

    Several ways:

    1. Sell a good/service on XMRBazaar.com

    2. RetoSwap.com is a software you download that is a peer to peer decentralized exchange. You can pay others with whatever payment methods are supported PayPal, Zelle, Cash App, Amazon gift cards, cash-in-mail, etc.

    3. Centralized exchange (not recommended) you can give all of your KYC information to a centralized exchange such as Coinbase and buy something like USDC on there and then use an instant swap service such as trocador.app to convert the USDC into Monero.

    4. Mine it with your CPU: This is the slowest way but also the most permissionless

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    Just use monero.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    The costs of shipping cash are: $1 or less for a security envelope, $1 or $2 for an international stamp (unless you live in Switzerland in which case it’s less). I usually just use the pen and paper I already have around or scavenge some scrap to write on.

    I get the one time code from the mullvad website, write it on a piece of paper, put it and my payment in the envelope, write the address (no return address), apply the stamp, put it in some mailbox and wait for it to hit my account.

    It’s often more than two weeks because they don’t process cash and mail every day. That doesn’t bother me because I keep an eye on the months left and re-up with plenty of time left.

    Is it worth it? I tend to put more trust in the anonymity of easily broken chain of cash transaction than in the immutable ledger of cryptocurrency technologies.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Crypto is an option. https://digitalgoods.proxysto.re/en accepts many payment methods if you want to buy from them.

    I went with a voucher from the big A and had it sent to one of their lockers.

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