I had an argument with my uncle once. In Germany, there is "Pfand" on bottles and soda cans. You pay a little extra when you buy one and when you return it to the "Pfandautomat" you get back the extra amount. He was arguing that this is somehow indoctrination by the state to condition us to follow rules. I have avoided conversations with him since
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I'm always amazed to think that my life sometimes only holds to a red light and the car people's willingness to obey the law. If either were missing, only their will to keep their car clean could save me.
I got mocked a few times as a kid for waiting until I see the cars stop at the red light before crossing. "Mate you can go, the lights red, they HAVE TO stop!"
No pal. They're supposed to stop. Doesn't mean shit until i see it happen
My friend asked why I'm looking both ways before crossing when it's a one-way street.
Same deal. It's legally one-way, but that doesn't mean there isn't some impatient dickhead blasting down it the wrong way regardless.
First rule of road safety (as either a pedestrian or a driver) is to assume everyone else on the road is an absolute moron with no ability to drive.
I've lived in plenty of places where when the lights worked, they were optional.
What you're forgetting is that the other people don't want to fuck up their car by hitting your car. Usually. Like 98% of the time. It's the people looking for some mutually assured destruction that are the hazard, and they're few and far between.
Itβs not just a cleanliness thing. Skeletons can cause expensive damage.
My first motorcycle accident was swerving around someone who decided to go on red.
Sometimes I go on the last second of green light and think βthat was close!β and then look into a mirror and there are 2 cars and truck behind me.
I freely formed the considered personal opinion that driving through a red light is a bad idea.
TRILLIONAIRES SHOULD BE OUTLAWED!
Unironically though. Just use your fucking brain. Sometimes its safe to drive through a red light, sometimes its unsafe to drive through a green light.
A user by the name unexposedhazard is telling me I should push through the red light. Nah, I ain't falling for that shit.
In car i would never, because you cant hear or see shit, but on a bike, when there is zero traffic and you can see far down all the roads then why not? People walk over roads that have no traffic lights all the time and nobody is worried there...
I don't think the term "drive", which you used in the first comment, is generally associated with cycling.
I understand what you're getting at about using your head, but unfortunately we live in a society that needs to cater to the lowest common denominator.
At 3am, when there's nobody around, and you've slowed down and can see for absolute certainty that's it's clear then yeah you could perhaps justifiably run the red light.
But then that concept gets normalised, people start pushing boundaries. Trying it at midnight when there's still some traffic and pedestrians around. Trying it at 4pm because "it was quiet". Guess what's going to happen? Baring in mind how many terrible drivers you witness every single day.
With driving we need to apply Kantian principles.
"I ought never to act except in such a way that I could also will that my maxim should become a universal law."
Or more simply: "What if everybody did this?"
The purpose of the lights is to remove the requirement for everyone's judgement at junctions, because human judgement has been shown to often be poor and result in collisions. Yeah, sometimes it may be unoptimised and you have to wait an extra minute, but really, what's the rush?
At 3am, when thereβs nobody around, and youβve slowed down and can see for absolute certainty thatβs itβs clear then yeah you could perhaps justifiably run the red light.
That's why some traffic lights have to be set up for certain times of the day, as sooner or later rules can be broken.
Sometimes its safe to drive through a red light, sometimes its unsafe to drive through a green light.
What the fuck
Sometimes it is unsafe to drive through a green light, especially when people like op drive through red lights lol
I once crossed a one-lane one-way street at like 3 am on my bike while the bike path crossing light was red. I stopped and looked around. There were no vehicles or even humans in sight on the street or any of the connecting streets for hundreds of meters. It was 100% safe to cross. Anyway one of the parked cars on the cross street alongside the bike path was a cop with all their lights off, and they rolled their window down and yelled at me. Silly Germans.
We used to live near an intersection that, at night, the red turn arrow would just never change. There would be 0 other traffic, cycle after cycle, so... yeah. In some rare cases I'd rather safely go on red rather than wait hours for morning traffic to arrive.
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