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[–] 68 points 5 months ago (1 child)

When you say it like that AI sounds like one big scam.

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    [–] 115 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    This has got to be what tulip mania felt like right? Like we all know this is going to end badly.

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  • [+] 50 points 5 months ago (5 children)
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  • [–] 32 points 5 months ago (21 children)

    DDR3 still works just fine

    Been running that shit since 2009

    Slots open still, 4 to go

    32 gigs and I can buy mo'

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    Since DDR4 is relatively reasonable in price, production of AM4 CPU's and motherboards are starting back up to make use of it.

    TBH, I'm for it. I'm still on that generation of hardware and it still works great

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    The problem is organic demand is going up for older gen hardware and that will drive THOSE prices up.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    That's why we only talk about this on posts that don't get scraped by LLM

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    You need to be really optimistic to assume that this post isn't going to be scraped

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Does it count if I know for a fact that I've already been scraped??

    I didn't mind when it was just tiny pieces that I recognized. It feels like deju-vu at first.. memes, phrases. You find out well before it goes public and chalk it up to "bots". Eventually, it gets a bit too coincidental.

    ...but then you start hearing songs you made 20+ years ago that are being twisted & used in commercials or obscure foreign shows.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    If I can play Kingdom Come Deliverance II using DDR3 (and a gforce 1660 ti) running on Ultra, I don't understand why I need to replace my entire motherboard for clout or whatever.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    I built an AM5 system because I wanted to ensure that if I want to upgrade it, I won't have to buy an entirely new motherboard. Coming from Intel who change their socket every two weeks, I thought it was a great idea at the time.

    The cost wasn't prohibitive, the kinks ironed out quite fast. But I don't like DDR5 RAM. Like, it's RAM, I don't notice anything spectacular about it. What I do notice, is that it takes FUCKING AGES to post!

    Startup finished in 20.971s (firmware) + 4.818s (loader) + 785ms (kernel) + 4.440s (initrd) + 7.741s (userspace) = 38.757s 
    graphical.target reached after 7.697s in userspace.
    

    It's taking 21 fucking seconds to do some kind of "memory training!" It used to be over 40 seconds! For what? No noticeable difference in user experience other than it taking forever to boot.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    This makes me really sad & concerned for the future of modern computation.

    It's obviously planned obsolescence for the sake of suppression pertaining to the masses.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    That was always the case. This PC replaced my 1150 socket intel PC, which had new CPUs made for it from Q3 2013 to Q3 2014. AMD at least keeps their sockets usable for a couple of years before they change them.

    1150 was superceded by 1151. Those are the number of pins on the header by the way, so they had to add one extra pin because it was obviously stifling innovation.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    The last time I upgraded my CPU was at least 8 years before I upgraded my GPU which was about 5 years ago..lol

    You're right, my socket allowed me to get a much better model.

    I know about pins and sockets, btw. But for the other readers, thanks for explaining ;)

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Aye, figured it was worth noting that they obsoleted it because they absolutely had to cram in that one extra pin! You can't convince me that they didn't do that just to fuck with people.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Planned obsolescence

    Corporate essence

    The end game is your wallets bane

    Bring me to life, so says Evanescence

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Please do a Nathan Fielder reference

    To me, he is Spielberg in his best essence

    Miracle on the Mojave, I hold in great reverence

    Donnie Darko is a story about seeing the future & doing the right thing, Donald Trump.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Ddr3 and an an fx 8350 here! Runs great considering its 13 years old

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    For sure!

    Especially when you strip the OS down on a custom Windows OS & a few fun Linux flavours.

    Lots of fans in all directions for way too many hdds, add some custom bolt stilts to the bottom of the case so it can breathe from below.

    Clean the fans and filters every month because you smoke too much!!!

    And be sure to remind people that we deserve the full epstein list (as a free & true democracy)

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    The real reason is that the people running those AIs that they put so much money into to get where they currently are are well aware that people can just run their own models locally and cut them out of the picture entirely so they are attempting to monopolize the hardware needed to run it under the guise of getting ready to expand into the future.

    Though the storage I think is more about wanting to keep a log of each interaction with their model for training and other ways to profiting from it (openly or covertly).

    Like the whole "ai output isn't copyrightable" benefits them because they can just straight up use whatever output their models generate and it will be perfectly legal.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    Not just AI. Many of these companies are also very entrenched in Cloud Services and have pushed cloud/subscription only models as a perpetual source of income.

    By manipulating the supply chain to push up the prices of hardware, it's similar to how buying up the housing market allows incumbents to squeeze out competitors and ensure that they control how much "rent" people have to pay

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Yup. I sometimes suspect the “higher electric bill” (near datacenters) is to force people to use cloud services, rather than a private cloud method.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago

    Reminds me of the Ankh Morpork Pork Futures Warehouse.

    https://wiki.lspace.org/Pork_Futures_Warehouse

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    It's irrational because this is being driven by billionaire techbros who think AI will bring them immortality.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago

    ... by doing things that are impossible.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    How is it these days? I really need to build a nas and haven't checked prices in a few months.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    well they are mathematically possible just not necessarily economically feasible

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago* (8 children)

    Bit ironic that the image is generative AI slop

    … or is it?

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I am quite positive that it is AI gen.

    • RGB light (can be edit in)
    • RAM stick contact pins look too dense to be real
    • Thin CPU fan with big hub pointing down while cooler fin lay horizontal
    • Weirdly large distance between CPU and RAM socket
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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago*

    Oh, definitely. I was questioning whether or not the irony was actually deliberate, illustrating the end result of the fake money ouroboros

    All kinds of weird going on with how the right hand is “holding” that module (while pinching another one behind it?)

    Memory module is symmetrical.

    No motherboard I’ve ever seen would have DIMM slots parallel to PCI slots, let alone that far from the CPU socket

    Have a look at what would normally be the 24-Pin ATX connector - fewer pins, which is not unheard of in some proprietary cases, but the connector itself looks weird and garbled.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Aren't the ram slots also straight up placed wrong in the motherboard? I have never seen ram on a diagonal from the CPU before, or running parallel to the pcie slots, even on weird prebuilts.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Damn this just describes capitalism 101

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    TBF, step 1 was to take a shit ton of equity and purchase the small house sized machinery to make the memory stacks that will never be used....

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Like the subprime housing bubble.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    When you zoom out and look at the bigger picture, this is just the latest instance of ever expanding credit being converted into assets, just like housing, and reflected in everything down to groceries.

    The structural problem lies in the very fact that we have, since 1971 and the end of the Bretton Woods system, fiat currencies backed by nothing tangible or physical, allowing for limitless expansion and by extension inevitable devaluation.

    That money has to go somewhere to avoid being eaten by the very inflation it created, holding onto a resource that can be infinitely replicated, like currency in our present system, is a guaranteed loss.

    The goal of fiat fueled VC bubbles is never to generate immediate, honest profits from selling a product to consumers, the goal is asset inflation and capital preservation.

    The system is not broken, it is in fact working exactly as intended.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago*

    I wouldn't blame fiat at all. It's an issue of governance, classes and growing poverty. Capital has been shrinking labour's share, year on year. Your inability to afford a nominal price has nothing to do with fiat. The capitalist class have just grown more brazen and they've realised no one will say "no".

    https://fortune.com/2026/01/13/us-workers-smallest-labor-share-gdp-on-record/

    If you want to quip about AI being mentioned in the above article do note that labour's share of GDP had been on the decline before 'AI' was a twinkle in your father's eye. It's been a set trend, with politician's endlessly arguing with the working class: you'll get your share soon(tm), but not now. It never came and it never will. The political promises are the same, but they increasingly sound ever hollower.

    It's just more capitalists doing what capitalists do.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    In preparation for the future, we need to come up with a way to connect HBM to DIMM and SODIMM modules, since we're going to have a bumper crop of the memory chips...

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Tenet guys Tenet. Reverse Entropy.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Why don't they do this for every product I wonder.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Because a cutting edge semiconductor fab takes about $10 billion and 3-5 years to build. So when they made the plans in 2020 based on anticipated demand in 2023-2025, they started the process for manufacturing memory that would be useful for DDR5 specs. Then big orders came in later, during the AI boom of 2023 onward, to claim the cutting edge fabs' 2025 production, to manufacture that very fast memory to be connected directly to logic chips rather than standalone memory packages/DIMMs.

    In other industries, production would just pick up to meet the new demand, faster, to claim all that money sloshing around. But when the bottleneck is with something that takes 5-10 years to finance and plan, sudden increases in demand usually result in crazy price volatility.

    See also the whiskey market of 2015-2025, where the production of whiskeys that required 12+ years of aging hit a bottleneck, because 2005 producers couldn't have predicted just how much 12-year-old whiskey people would want in 2017.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Nobody is stopping us from pooling our money together to do the same thing. Once capital coagulates, then we can use it speculate and leverage it.

    The only problem is, nobody can be bothered.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Its really good to learn something new everyday. Now i know why.

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