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[–] 65 points 5 months ago (2 children)

It makes sense with the context in the article, but "triples that of 650 million" is a very strange way to say "almost 2 billion".

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  • [–] 45 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Why mix units? Match 1.3billion for water. Why not say match 1.95 billion for power, instead of 3x650 million.

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  • [–] 41 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Fuck this.

    I remember in the 00s imagining what AI might be like.

    I did not imagine soulless chat bot that was going to steal all the water.

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  • [–] 31 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Because it's not real ai. It's just marketing.

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  • [–] 57 points 5 months ago (11 children)

    Once again: stop letting them use potable fucking drinking water it makes no sense

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    I thought the majority of their water consumption is indirect via electricity consumption. If we could stop burning freaking coal that would be a start.

    But yes, also stop using potable water for evaporative cooling!!

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (4 children)

    I’m dumb as a brick - why can’t they build the AI centres in very cold regions and just pump air in and out?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    The infrastructure thats needed isnt always there, nor the people to run or build it.

    You cant power it only off solar now because its so far north the array would need to be crazy big, and wouldn't be enough in the winter.

    Also even as you go far north summers can still be hot and you'd still need a way to cool it during those times which will require the same water flow capacity even if its for less overall days, so you now need to build 2 cooling systems instead of 1.

    It still seems crazy to build these things where they often do, but going somewhere really cold isnt simple.

    Edit: also sovereignty of the data center. A US company would prefer to keep it in the US which would give Alaska as an option.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Ah so they need to have close access to power stations to rinse them, and close enough to civilisation to be able to staff and maintain them? I can’t see a good outcome here.

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  • [+] -13 points 5 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago

    Hey, making food is something we need. Hallucination bots are a new, unnecessary use of water in a time when water is already becoming scarcer due to global warming. Stop sane washing their massive waste, thanks!

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Almond farming is also bad. There, what now?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    sorry for the delayed response. my main point is most people dont care about water usage. if someone all their life was xoncerned about it. fought against golf courses, almond farming, lawn watering and then when data caenters came along and got angry there too, i would never respond.

    in all honesty, i think data centers are a waste. i always thought the futire was local models because 90% of the uses are chat bots and dont need all that power. the science fields and health can rent data center time. i thought it would take over 5 years to get there but with nvidia's new rtx spark, i think we may gwt there sooner.

    data centers are the real bubble, but people who use water as their main reason is full of shit. the new data centers are closed loop. microsoft's new one wont need new water forntheee years.

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    [–] 23 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    triples that of 650 million

    Wouldn't saying nearly as much as 2 billion people be the same and more efficient?

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  • Good use of our resources

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    Why is the article using "match" and "triple" in the same sentence for things that are pretty much in the same order of magnitude?

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago*

    A note: “AI” doesn’t have to be that way.

    It’s not using evaporative cooling out of necessity. It’s just the absolute cheapest, fastest way to cool en masse. Just like slamming a gas generator down on a site, or housing servers in tents:

    They could take an extra second to build something efficient, and they did not.

    Or, they could just not use waste so many GPUs on “intelligence scaling” that does not scale. Like most non-US firms do, just fine. But FOMO.


    In other words, non technical decision makers, who don’t understand how transformers models even work, dictated this would happen. It’s not even a sane business planning decision, and they’re too rich to face any consequences now.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    And it will be our fault that there aren't enough resources for the data centers just like it's our fault the climate is changing. If only we didn't use AC when it was needed, we could have saved the world /s

    The Epstein class will never be at fault.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    What if we as a society decided to just not?

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Why don't they make this the first problem AI should solve?

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    This completely ignores that fresh water production is regional. I'm tired of that shit. It's something else to use x amount of water in Amazon jungle and something else to use same amount in the desert. The notion that you could just provide third world countries with water from US is moronic.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Don’t forget to shower less and only use paper straws

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    You'll tell people that and then they keep using AI...

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    It's stupid how much they are pouring into hardware that might be vastly obsolete. By the time AI becomes truly intelligent, there may be specialized chips that are efficient at running models that blow GPUs out of the water.

    Look at how it happened to bitcoin mining. Nobody serious is using a GPU to mine when ASIC is available.

    However, I don't see all this hardware hitting the second hand market once a better solution is found. I'm sure they will keep trying to make compute hard to get for the average person so they can rent out their servers for a crazy price.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)

    I wouldn't call what we have now as true artificial intelligence. That doesn't mean that we will not achieve it in the future.

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  • Its worse. The expected life span of the compute server hardware is 2 years. The processors cannot be re-purposed and the memory needs to be re-packaged in a non-novel way. They will most likely send it too ewaste processing to get the precious and rare earth metals back.

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  • [+] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Then they'll "lay off" those people.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago

    I might be going against the grain here but honestly it doesnt seem like that much. This article is really misleading in how it frames these stats.

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