cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/47871545

🌐 Many companies now block older browser versions from accessing their websites!

This follows many browser makers ending updates 4 older operating systems, leaving legacy devices unable to use web services without an OS upgrade.

This kinda reminds me of the Java website block by browsers a few years ago, just in reverse. (Revenge? ;)

Old Android versions are also increasingly blocked from accessing the Google appstore.

Truly about security or perhaps Planned Obsolescence?

Update: "old devices can only use old os > old os can only use old browser > old browser cannot use web> poor uneducated people = screwed once again!"

"Only suggesting corporate browsers, kinda like an ad."

Screenshot of a notification on a website:  Sorry, we no longer support your browser version. Please upgrade your browser or use the ***** mobile app.  In order to provide new and engaging experiences for our customers, we require the use of the latest browser versions. This ensures that you can have the best possible experience with additional benefits including improved privacy and security.  Please upgrade to the latest version of the following browsers:  Chrome Edge Firefox Safari Opera

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[–] 9 points 5 months ago (5 children)

If some crappy website gives me this, then I'm never visiting them again. Good riddance.

Also, it's probably super easy to trick the sites given how you can change your browser's fingerprint (or whatever it's called).

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  • User agent based blocking is stupid, but also, you should really, really keep your browser up to date.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Dev here, there are actual reasons to do this beyond control. It's a small percentage of the overall population of users who require old browsers. Financially not worth the dev time, and most especially maintenance time for fallback behaviors. Over time there are upgrades and new features added to the browser and to the rendering engines that make our lives much easier or add much desired functionality for users. Users on old browsers may not have these and bringing that functionality is either impossible or cost far exceeds that which is pulled in from the the few.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Yes that is true, however a warning "use at your own risk" would suffice rather than "you can not use the web anymore, upgrade to a major corp browser to use"

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  • It's not that, though. It's 'use the current version of the browser you're already using'. Unless you're on, like, original edge, or Netscape Navigator, or smth else crazy. Sorry to say, but purposefully using a very put of date browser is a stupid idea in most cases.

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    [–] 75 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Yep, my father in law got locked out of his bank because of this. He has a Chromebook so he couldn't upgrade anymore, he thought he had to change his computer but fortunately Linux will never be obsolete so I just migrated him to freedom.

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  • [–] [S] 32 points 5 months ago* (3 children)
  • [–] 28 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I had the bad idea to study computer science so I'm basically the computer (and unfortunately printer) "specialist" of the whole in-law family. Yay

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  • [–] 45 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    It's been like that for years if not decades though.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Not doubting that, however it's the first time I have encountered it at this level, and I have used kinda retro devices to surf the web at times ;)

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago*

    Companies now block older browser versions

    Now? This has been happening since the dawn of the web. At least the screenshot you pasted represents all of the big three rendering engines - it used to be common to see "Internet Explorer version XYZ required", sometimes with javascript to prevent you from using the site with any other browser (even if in some cases it would actually work fine if you simply spoofed your user agent string).

    I have used kinda retro devices to surf the web at times

    Most websites became HTTPS-only sometime after the snowden disclosures in 2013.

    Over time old versions of TLS have been deprecated and eventually support for them is dropped from browsers and web servers alike. So, a browser from even 15 years ago literally cannot connect to most webservers today.

    Planned obsolescence is terrible but it's a minor factor here: it's actually dangerous to use even (especially?) a slightly-out-of-date web browser because every new release fixes vulnerabilities which can be exploited to run malicious code on your computer. The planned obsolescence which prevents people from being able to have an up-to-date browser comes mostly from proprietary operating system vendors; to have up-to-date software while continuing to use somewhat older computers you need to use free/libre software.

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I think this is not a clean cut case of evil planned obsolescence. There are valid security concerns, as browsers are a common attack vector. You should get that updated, also to protect your privacy while surfing online. So for a banking site or similar, I kind of get it. (I recognize there is a possible conundrum when people can't go bank in person because the bank no longer has branches and/or get excluded by their old hardware/economic reasons from doing it online. Should they be able to choose risking it if the bank knows about a flaw they then leave exposed? Shit's complicated.)

    That being said I'm sure this banner of corporate concern was not primarily motivated by the security and privacy of their users.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah if it was just the login page of a bank or something it would make sense, but these are all kind of websites, blocking complete access for no reason. They could put a warning instead "Use at your own risk" if they wanted and not just tell people to get corp browsers "CHROME EDGE FIREFOX SAFARI OPERA" ;)

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  • Even for a non-bank website, I imagine there is an octogenarian federal judge somewhere in the States who is still puzzled by fax machines who made a ruling holding website owners liable if they didn't do this when they know of any vulnerability that could affect the user. So there is a possible legal angle as well.

    The people who use browsers other than the ones listed will either never see this message or know how to upgrade on their own.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    A Use at your own risk disclaimer leads to a significant increase in support tickets or negative customer perceptions. Being able to use ES6/ESnext features in your javascript codebase is really nice.

    I'm not a fan of this being the current reality but much prefer this putting up this type of disclaimer over having to support internet explorer or safari.

    In an ideal world there would be no need for any of this but consumers consistently choose for whatever is easiest for them in the moment and it leads to negative outcomes for al of us.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    I built a webapp for work, and when a new PR firm / subcontractor entered the picture, they complained that it didn't work. I spent hours pulling my hair out until I figured out that they were using a seven year old version of Safari. Apparently, their laptops stopped receiving system updates from apple, and you can't upgrade safari alone. As someone who has never used an Apple computer, this blew my mind.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    I have an old iPad Mini that is long outside the support deadline for Apple. It’s using AltStore instead now, but when I tried to install a patched version of Spotify, the app and even the web app, completely blocked both the OS version and the WebKit version. I can’t even use the web version of Apple Music on it. The amount of artificial locks these companies use is annoying as fuck.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago*

    It's mostly age verification services. Some Lithuanian service blocked me this way when I tried to sign up for a Wise account.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    Older browsers don't support features that the pages are coded with. This could be security or just layout issues. It's difficult to support older browsers, or just the volume of browsers x versions. So it's reasonable to limit the test space. And it's usually easy for users to upgrade.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Probably part of the plan to to take all the hardware for data centers, make it more expensive to buy, and force everyone to rent services from their servers rather than own a computer.

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