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IDF soldier shot and killed a seven-month-old baby in Hebron: "The bullet passed through his face and hit the mother's cheek" (www.ha-makom.co.il)
submitted 5 months ago by to c/world@lemmy.world
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cross-posted from: https://piefed.world/c/world/p/1177103/idf-soldier-shot-and-killed-a-seven-month-old-baby-in-hebron-the-bullet-passed-through-h

Sam Abu Haikel was killed last night after being shot by a soldier in the Tel Rumeida neighborhood of Hebron. His parents, who were with him in the car on their way to his grandmother’s house, were also injured by the infiltration of the bullets. IDF Spokesperson Confiscated the Things But Hurried to Cover and Protect Soldiers

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[–] 59 points 5 months ago

If they could, they would shoot babies all day long and ask for overtime. The genocide they are committing is intentional. This single event should not be surprising and should not be looked form a lens of a depraved monstrous murder which it is, but as the heinous genocide which they excuse with grotesque cynicism. They are a depraved disgusting country, their leadership should be executed and their existence hidden from history as one of humanityies biggest disgraces. The stain of this countries actions will always be there and I can't imagine a normal person being an inhabitant of such a country and living with such shame.

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    [–] 25 points 5 months ago

    Child killing demons.

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    [–] 15 points 5 months ago

    zionism is the most dangerous kind of anti-semitism.

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    [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    Israelis will quietly celebrate the babies death too. There will be much toasting in Israel tonight, and the shooter will be a minor celebrity.

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    [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    When you’ve been brainwashed to believe that other humans are not worthy of life…

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    [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Clearly a most fiendish terrorist!

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    [+] 6 points 5 months ago (25 children)
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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago (21 children)

    It isn't all Israelis. There are plenty who spend every day protesting what is going on and trying to end it.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (15 children)

    A very small small minorities. The majority keep voting for genocidal prime ministers

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago (14 children)

    Answering a genocide with a genocide is really not it though.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    We can dismantle their Israeli state simply by completely blockading the country, forbidding travel of its citizens, and freezing their assets globally. The region cant sustain itself without imports. Israel could be completely dismantled if the global elite wanted it to be, without a single shot fired by us. We know what to do, we just have leaders too compromised and corrupt to do it. After they capitulate they can be subjected to a justice process which focusses on restoring the Palestinians what has been taken from them by political zionism, insomuch as thats possible. The Israelis have little to no standing in that process beyond basic human rights. Thieves and murderers dont get to keep whats been taken, and removing ethnic cleansers from the lands they stole is not in itself ethnic cleansing. Its restorative justice. Theres a reason that ethnic cleansing was made a war crime by the UN.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (12 children)

    I did not talk about genociding Israelis though. I expressed the idea that a big number of israelis oppose genocide and colonialism .

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (11 children)

    You qualified and minimized the statement of the person you were responding to, and they were responding to someone espousing genocide.

    The person you were responding to expressed the idea that a big number of Israelis oppose genocide and colonialism - in response to the suggestion of genocide.

    You seem to have assigned yourself the role of making sure to clarify that it’s actually a very small number of people who maybe should not be genocided, so it walks and talks like a duck at this point my friend.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    I did not minimize anything while you guys are simply distorting reality. Only a minority oppose genocide and colonialism in Israel. I do not support genociding Israelis. I firmly believe with deradicalization israelis can live peacefully with Palestinians . The israeli who is likely to win against Netanyahu is another Netanyahu like grnocider.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I firmly believe with deradicalization israelis can live peacefully with Palestinians .

    Why should Israelis be entitled to live there at all when justice can be restored by giving Palestinian families their lands back and compensating them for 80 years of murder and theft. Every minute we delay makes that more impossible.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    How are you going to send back millions of Israelis to Europe back? What about the jews and their direct ancestors living in Palestine before the Zionist movement? Are you going to make a DNA test for every Israeli to confirm that? Palestinians Families who was expulsed during the nekba ethenic cleansing should definitely going back to their land and compensation should aslo be given to them. It do not require mass displacing Israelis to Europe

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Israelis owe a massive blood, land, and possessions debt to Palestinians they have dispossed. Israelis can add their name to the list of victims and state their case for an equitable share of the damages, just like everyone else. This is not an uncommon situation when multiple groups of people are being made whole after a crime is committed. The criminals give up recompense, the list of victims and their interests are collected, and the loot is spread out in a way that makes sense. The choice of doing nothing is not Just or reasonable. It'll be hard but it must be done.

    Everyone will lose in this, but the people most harmed will get restored to some percentage, and the Israelis who had a legitimate interest in being there without being part of the problem will get something too. People who profitted, or agreed with the crimes will lose their mondye, land, and posessions and will either leave or not, but they will not rule. Perhaps they can live in the Negev Desert, where everyone is always saying the Palestinians will need to move to.

    If the leave they will be welcomed in the Jewish Autonomous Oblast in Russia of course, they always have been. And if we are being frank, they obviously will be welcome in the US and much of Western Europe. They were never a people without a home and they did not need to colonize Palestine. They did it because they wanted it, not needed it. Ben gurion flatly admitted as much.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    I’m truly not disputing your point, and I don’t assume that you support genocide as a matter of belief.

    But the top level comment started with the assertion that we ‘need to erase israhell off the planet’ which is a genocide. Your point was deployed in response to someone saying, in so many words, ‘maybe we shouldn’t do a genocide because not all people of a nationality believe the same thing’.

    Then you come in with, in so many words, ‘yeah, but most of them do’ - as a further reason to…not do a genocide?

    What point is your comment serving other than to soften the reason not to do a genocide?

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Israel is a state. Wiping it off the map does not assume genocide. Your pushing that narrative is a zionist talking point. Israel CAN be wiped off the map without murder. Will you admit to that?

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Israel CAN be wiped off the map without murder. Will you admit to that?

    Will I admit to that? What kind of question is that? Of course I will ‘admit to that’, since you’ve backed me into a rhetorical corner.

    Now, since we’re admitting things. How often do you think the historical use of the term is describing a non-violent process?

    Fuck Zionism, and Free Palestine but the language of erasure is just too close to genocide for my comfort, as cathartic as the thought may be in the moment, and I’m hesitant to normalize it.

    Other people don’t have that sensitivity and that’s fine. You do you.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    What kind of question is that?

    Hasbara propoganda constantly states that giving any justice at all to Palestinians for the very real and very concrete harm they have endured risks inflicting harm against Israelis born to the area. It attempts to weigh an non life threatening existential harm to a small number of Isarelis against a very severe and concrete life threatening already in flight genocide of a massive number of innocents. You just parroted that so maybe ask yourself whether you are commenting for justice or not.

    How often do you think the historical use of the term is describing a non-violent process?

    Remediating a genocide only comes up so often but South Africa did it pretty well and thats the most modern addressing of a similar issue that I'm aware of. So no, I dont buy your suggestion that its a common understanding-- and even if it were (its not), its a harmful framing in this case that you shouldnt be trying to normalize to win lemmy points.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    My point was concentrated on a specific part of your comment related to the number of Israelis who oppose genocide and colonialism. Distorting reality by claiming a big number of Israelis oppose it is dangerous and help Israel continuing the extermination of Palestinians . Jerusalem Day Flag March where Israelis chant death to Arab and burn Arab villages has ten thousands of people in them while counter protests have few hundreds.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago*

    I've had a similar comment chain to this, it seems Israeli defenders have the same argument strategy, where they try to put words in your mouth. Kind of embarrassing for them.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    When its 82% who flatly admit it openly, then I'm not going to get twisted into a pretzel on the tiny percentage of people who didnt answer in the vehement affirmative from their perch on a pile of bones. I wish those less than 18% of people the best and demand that they leave that territory for their own safety and security. And in their answers to that demand you will see the measure of their complicity. Most of that less than 18% want this outcome, they just dont want to be accused of making it happen.

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    [–] 17 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    English translation via google translate, so just keep that in mind.

    According to the army statement, forces operating in the Hebron area "felt that a vehicle was accelerating towards them. An IDF soldier responded with a single shot at the vehicle. As a result, three Palestinians were injured and evacuated for medical treatment." However, the grandmother's version explicitly contradicts the army's claim. According to her, the family was driving near Checkpoint 17, and when she saw military vehicles and soldiers in the distance, she stopped the car. Only then did fire open on them. "At first we thought these were warning shots," she said.

    "The bullet hit my grandson and his mother, and another bullet hit the father's hand, his finger," she described. "It went through his face and hit his mother's cheek. His mother is here, sleeping. This is what is happening to us. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable that we continue to live in these conditions."

    Fucking lying ass fascist baby killers. No country has the right to do this.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Lying is not the problem here.

    In any situation, an army will cover the pig who shoot the civilian. Things like that happen and the goal of the country is to make them accountable. This never happens

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    • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    This soldier must be dismembered akive

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    [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    And after their service, the soldiers often go back to their cushy banking jobs in London or New York and resume their lives with no consequences.

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