all 29 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] 14 points 5 months ago (6 children)

I know it's a meme, but the constant demonizing of the bottom left as though it's as bad as the bottom right frustrates me.

Have any people been misdiagnosed and died before receiving care? Absolutely. And some people die in their homes because they had a brain thing no one knew about, regardless of system. But the bottom left, in most systems that have it, is based on triage, which means the vast majority of people likely to die are seen promptly and don't die, and most people who wait for a long time are in discomfort but don't die. And that can suck, to be sure! I don't want to be in discomfort, and I think we should increase spending to reduce the wait time for discomfort as well.

And like I said, some people are on an edge where something is misdiagnosed as discomfort that is actually much more serious, or they develop something more serious while waiting for the first thing to be dealt with, but framing "I had to wait in line before I received care" as being equal to "I was structurally prohibited from ever receiving care" is straight bullshit that keeps people trapped in worse system.

It's essentially the same argument as "we shouldn't tax the millionaires because some day I plan on winning a lottery and becoming one", but then you die poor because obviously.

  • source
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago*

    The biggest problem with socialist healthcare is how it's been eroded by mercenary care alongside. Mercenary clinics steal providers from the good system, reduce the supply-side management effectiveness, and make it into a bad system; just so rich fucks can skip the line they help perpetuate.

    Eliminate that and it's not yet perfect but it's a whole lot better.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] [S] 6 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I mean, I'd argue that even in the framing of the meme libleft is better than libright. Libleft says "If your issue is time-sensitive, you may be fucking screwed"; libright says "If you aren't rich, you're fucking screwed. Period."

    In the same way that authright is very clearly the worst of the lot.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I feel like a lot of PCMemes show a general slant to libleft. It's just superior, even when it's shit.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I could read that with my own biases, but the words say "you die in a 12 month queue". It maybe implies to you or I that they were in a queue based on need but there weren't enough doctors and due to this etc etc etc.

    But what the compass is clearly stating is that you're dead in all quadrants, but in my very privileged experience there's a lot less dying in the bottom left than the other 3.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    With libleft at least someone is getting healthcare at the end of the queue

  • source
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Aha, but with capitalism, someone is also getting health care! And they're at the front of the line because they're obviously the most important! You know... because they have the most money...

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [+] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Top Left is Cuba under the embargo

  • source
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    Pretty sure the queue in the SocDem system is by severity and even low priority cases get treated fast. Usually get an appointment the week I call or, if it is important, same day.

  • source
  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I live in the bottom left, only that the queue is implemented by not having a literal queue but just being lucky when you contact the doctors, that they have an open spot right at that moment.

    And all contact is handled by phone.

    One wonders how I haven't got an appointment after more than a year.

  • source
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Call every morning and ask if they have any cancellations or other openings. After a week or so they will get sick of you calling and find you a spot.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    One of the things I need a doctor for is because of my extreme difficulties in social interaction (/calling). Imagine you have to overcome your hardest difficulties just to get help.

    I'm trying, but it's almost impossible, and "every morning for a week" is definitely not possible.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I hear you. And I know that people will tell you that anxieties like this are best treated by exposure. But that doesn't help if you just can't do it. Know that you're not alone in this. It's so common and so frustrating. Maybe you can get someone to call on your behalf?

  • source
  • parent
  • Healthcare can be private or even for-profit, but health INSURANCE should never be.

  • source
  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Unfortunately there isn't enough diversity of opinion on Lemmy to make PCM fun, it's too one-sided. Good meme tho.

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] [S] 2 points 5 months ago

    All things are relative. Just the exact composition of the squares change.

    PCM is eternal, if you have only enough gumption to make strawmen of heretics (they almost believe the same thing as you do, but slightly differently, which is even WORSE than an UNBELIEVER)

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    The left issues are still caused by the fascist and capitalist in this set

  • source
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] [S] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    It would be nice to believe that, but in authleft, command economies often suffer shortages of goods due to intrinsically inefficient planning mechanisms that are extremely difficult to resolve (though proposals have been offered which may theoretically work, none were implemented during the period of widespread state socialism during the 20th century).

    In libleft, capitalists can be assigned blame under social democratic systems, but a democratic market socialist system is not guaranteed to have a different outcome, as the innate problem is allocation of limited resources by the perceptions of need and desire amongst the general population, rather than the perception of need and desire amongst those with the... well, need and desire.

    Unfortunately, there are no perfect solutions. That being said, libleft's "You have a chance, you just need to hope you can hold on long enough" is by far the better choice than the other three; and even authleft's "You were too slow, sorry, someone else who actually needed it got it instead; please fill out Death Form #56B2 in magenta ink." is better than either choice on the right.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    @PugJesus make it easier to be a doctor then

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment