The former US first lady told CBS News that she was frightened by Joe Biden's performance against Donald Trump.

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[–] 53 points 5 months ago (1 child)

I thought I was having a stroke during the 2024 debate. It went that badly.

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  • [–] 44 points 5 months ago

    Us too Jill. Us too.

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  • [–] 65 points 5 months ago (15 children)

    Understandable. He was apparently very sick that day, and obviously also very old.

    Still wish he was president instead of the shit-gibbon, though.

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago (14 children)

    Apparently he has a speech pathology problem too (a stutter), which he trains himself out of... And according to Wikipedia:

    Biden has a reputation for being prone to gaffes.[833][834][835]

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  • [+] -19 points 5 months ago (13 children)

    Nice way to deny his mental decline, find a video pre 2008 that looks anything like his current condition or his condition while he was President

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  • [–] 29 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    It's both. He's dying of old age, and he has a speech problem that's been with him his whole life.

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  • [–] -5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Again, so find a video, there's tons of them on Youtube and CSPAN, pre 2008 where he sounded anything like he did when he was president. His mental decline was obvious well before he was president, But liberals chose to ignore it by calling it a stutter.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    He has a stutter that he has to overcome. Old age and his sickness that day (as well as being probably the most stressful day of his life) made it difficult to overcome, not to mention him spiraling after the debate went sideways immediately. All of that is reality.

    Now, his old age means a mentality decline, absolutely. Pretending it was 100% mental decline is just as false as saying he has had no mental decline at all. We will never know how much each piece contributed to what we saw.

    So show some grace and don't assume you know all the answers.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Imagine your user name is 'ClassStruggle' and you go around shit fighting randos.

    "I'm helping"

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    I'm not shit fighting randos, I'm pointing out that his mental degradation started well before he was president, but BlueMAGA insisted on calling it a stutter.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago* (5 children)

    How is that NOT shit fighting?

    All I was doing is stating facts, now you're bringing up "past great battles" with "BlueMAGA" (sounds made up, obviously if you're voting against Trump eg. Voting BLUE, you're not MAGA).

    Anyways, I don't have time for idiotic shit fights. I deal in facts.

    Here's a video of Biden, uploaded 12 years ago, talking about his stutter:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q6i3FDPzmw

    The clip it's self is even older. "BlueMAGA called it a stutter" shit fighting dumb ass.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    He ***talked *** about having a stutter, now produce a video pre2008 where that 'stutter' is as prevalent as it was during his presidancy. What liberals were calling a stutter while he was president was not a stutter, that was mental degradation.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    That doesn't exclude, nor is it incompatible with the two facts I raised (adding to what the person I replied to) then you claimed were just excuses. Anyways fuck you and your boring ass gripes, misinformation, and interpretations of the past. Boring ass shit fighter.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    fuck biden and his absolute waste of a presidency, fucking weimar republic of presidents

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago*

    The hyper inflation of Weirmar Germany was caused by external debts after the loss of WW1.

    It's one of the two basic causes of inflation.

    The other being uneven bidding wars (eg. A Government that can outbid everyone in a market - say if a government decides to outbid EVERYONE for timber that would inflate prices ...or tech companies outbid everyone on graphics cards and memory).

    They're the two basic causes of inflation. An external set of governments were draining Germany of goods and resources as war reparations.

    Your problem is wealth concentration and uneven distribution of wealth and power. Drives prices up regularly. The wealthy also avoid taxes... Taxes are deflationary because they take money out of circulation (returning it to the government).

    Inflation is not caused by printing money alone, or spending of that money alone. It's caused by specific behaviors (eg. Uneven bidding, or external drains).

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  • [–] 47 points 5 months ago (24 children)

    So glad Joe and his handlers felt he should run for a second term.

    That decision just worked out fabulously. So happy about it.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Fucker knew he had uncureable cancer and still fucking ran. If he just done as he promised an only did the one term. We could had a primary and maybe had a candidate that would got people out to vote.

    Of course Trump as admitted as much that all the machines in key states were rigged in his favor. So we might still loss. But at least we had a chance. Instead he tried and fail and thought they could just stick us with Harris. And goddammit she could have won if she shifted from Israel and fought for progressive vote instead of pivoting right instead.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Of course Trump as admitted as much that all the machines in key states were rigged in his favor.

    Thank you for saying this. I feel like sometimes I am the only person in the world who remembers that Trump said out loud that Musk "knows about voting machines better than anybody". Like, isn't that suspicious? I understand that the Democrats ran a bad campaign, but to lose in every single swing state after Trump had already been president once and was grossly unpopular at the end of his first term, there has to be something more to it than just her stance on Israel/Gaza and not running a primary.

    And of course, the Dems take the high road and don't demand investigations so that they avoid comparisons to election deniers on the right that ceaselessly parroted baseless conspiracies throughout Biden's term. Almost as if it was planned all along...

    I want to believe that my fellow Americans aren't collectively stupid enough to actually pick Trump a second time. I really, really want to believe.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Lets just notice and remember how many people here were not only cheerleading the decision, but literally demanding that he run. They were telling us we were crazy to not want the incumbent to run.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I took a lot of abuse when I was calling for him to step down when it was fucking obvious he was going to get trounced. Harris was a shit choice but she still did way better than he would have.

    DNC snatching defeat from the jaws of victory as usual. They're complicit.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    If Harris was going to be the candidate she needed to face a robust primary, like any Democrat should. It's not just about understanding the candidate but about forcing them to be better in hard positions.

    Harris was garbo in the 2020 primary. Did she even get a single delegate?

    Even with that, Harris could have easily won if she would have ignored blue Maga and the third way crowd. If she would have let Walz be Walz. If she would have leaned into being the party of the left instead of trying to be diet republican.

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  • [+] -9 points 5 months ago (15 children)

    It probably would have worked out fabulously.

    But he got backstabbed, and democrats instead tried to shove an unpopular, unwanted woman down our throats, against trump, again, because it went so well the first time.

    Weird how people never want to blame the people actually responsible.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    He would have gotten absolutely crushed, it would have been a landslide of embarrassing proportions. I don't know what you're smoking, but I want some. Harris was utterly wrong for the time, but she made a showing. The DNC brass are to blame for throwing the election.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    Harris could have won, but she made two massive mistakes: she was nearly invisible during Biden's presidency, and she campaigned for Republicans, alienating many voters. She should have taken a more progressive stance and not campaign with Cheney and CEOs.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago* (11 children)

    He was polling almost as bad as Trump is polling now. In December of 2023. They were objectively losing before the primary even started. December, 2023, Biden's net approval was -16. No incumbent wins with a net -16 the December before the race. It just doesn't happen.

    Stop trying to gaslight history. The people responsible for Trumps victory are the Biden team, the Harris team, and everyone that has made excuses for them along the way.

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    They were "objectively losing" because the media did everything in its power to twist everything Biden did into a catastrophe and induced some kind of mass delusion that Biden was a doddering fool who wet himself and walked around in a daze doing nothing all day, while bending over backwards and tying itself into knots to keep from reporting anything but the most sanitized shit about Trump.

    Objectively Biden was doing great, and he had made incredible gains turning the country back around after Trumps first disaster of a presidency, and I very seriously doubt we're gonna get so lucky as to have another person that capable coming in the second time around to unfuck everything again

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (7 children)

    You are fully detached from reality. Please stay away from politics so we can use the electoral system, if its still even possible, to stop fascism. Your involvement wont be productive.

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  • [–] -4 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Yeah, I'm the one detatched 🙄

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Thanks, acknowledgement is the first step towards transformation.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    No worries. Thanks for doing your part.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    We also thought he was stroking out.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    We all knew he had a speech impediment. He could have probably skipped the debate outright and said I don't debate people who commit treason and come out on top more likely. For all the shade he caught, his administration was doing good things, and I was worried he would bomb the debate, and boy did he. As I was watching it, I said to my friend they are going to demand he steps down now, and Trump is going to win against whoever they shoehorn in. Sure enough, here we are. So great, so again.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I thought he was having a stroke for 4 years

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    My husband was having a stroke

    Orange man made husband a joke

    Cognitive test, I say this in jest

    Fuck me our system is broken

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Fuck her, according to reporting from Jake Tapper (I know, I know) she was one of the main people keeping Joe under wraps to avoid scrutiny. She’s a contemptible villain. She brought us Donald Trump.

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  • [+] -11 points 5 months ago (21 children)

    No she didn't, she knew this is exactly who he has been, a half senile fool that should have been pushed out of politics years ago. We got Diane Feinsteined, again

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 5 months ago (20 children)

    Ironic that we voted a fully senile war mongering fool instead of him.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (16 children)

    Didn't you defend running Biden until his brain literally melted during that debate? That was like driving on a flat tire until litterally the rim was sparking on the asphalt.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 5 months ago (14 children)

    I still would have voted Biden in over Trump after that debate but I saw what Biden did during his presidency and it was pretty amazing stuff.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (13 children)

    The point is that Biden needed to not be the candidate. You did the work that got Trump elected by insisting on them as the candidate.

    And your vote is utterly immaterial. What you "would" have done is fucking irrelevant. The entire point is that you did do the thing that prevented us from being able to stop Trump.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 5 months ago (12 children)

    Voting against Trump is literally the best cure to having Trump as president.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (11 children)

    You cost us the ability to stop Trump. It's all you'll be remembered for.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    Well at least you’re not baselessly accusing me of being a fascist yet so it’s been a decent conversation so far.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    I mean there is just so much less for me to do at this point. The world and voting public have largely come to adopted the understanding and worldview I've been putting out all these long years. They used to need me to explain it to them: now they can explain it themselves.

    Instead of having to explain it and call it out, people just recognize fascism now.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    Yes like Trump so that’s why I voted against him.

    By voting for the non-fascists I prove myself to be an anti-fascist.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    It's about what you advocate for not what you claim to do. Like, no one is fooled by the gimmick of you claiming to vote one way, while you repeatedly and consistently are doing things and advocating for approaches that objectively hurt Democrats ability to stop fascism. No amount of cosplaying as if "you voting" changes the fact that you've actively and persistently advocated for all of the strategies and decisions which resulted in fascism taking over. Your vote doesn't wash your hands clean. You did all the thing fascism needed you to for it to take over, and voting for Harris doesn't give you a hall pass.

    And you aren't unique in this. There is a whole political enterprise collapsing in on itself also based on your world view. And it also would align with fascists and Republicans to work against the interests of the American people.

    No amount of ABWD or blue maga undies the damage you sought to do.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    You don't know anything about fascism to be speaking on it

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    You think Biden is a fascist so I know how good your opinion is.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    When you say fully senile, war mongering fool, it's hard to determine if you're talking about Biden or Trump.

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