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[–] 72 points 5 months ago* (9 children)

The whole assumption in this article is that any age gated apps are worth sticking with for some wondrous reason.

No thanks.

It also lists drm issues and unsupported anticheat mechanisms as a supportive argument.

Whole thing is tone deaf.

Maybe that’s the point? Engagement farming? Not sure.

Either way, no thanks on any of those.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago

    If services start just blocking Linux, that is really bad for Linux users and adoption rates. It does not matter what apps you personally think are worth sticking with. It will just make Linux worse for everyone.

    The point of this article is clear: that these laws are a problem to Linux and everyone even if Linux is left out of the scope.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    It seems you did not read the article. I don't see anyone being on the side of these age verification laws. What they are saying is that the laws are bad for Linux and it's users even if Linux was left out of the laws' scope.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

    I feel like I’m losing my mind. The internet isnt dying we are killing it with everything for a long time now I just seems like I’m not living in a reality. I read news articles, interact with the internet, apps, my phone. Whatever, and it’s all so bad, things are getting so bad,

    This is crazy right? I’ve been working on de-goggling which in very close. But their search thing; who wants that? It sounds awful. Not to mention how it’s going to kill traffic to other sites. The AI nightmare? Seems like everything is getting vibe coded to hell. And I don’t trust it. I don’t trust it to work, I don’t trust it to be secure, I don’t trust updates to fix things. Now this censorship shit or being so heavily pushed, constantly, constantly, constantly, constantly pushing.

    Here is some article that’s like “it’s good actually and open source is wrong”? Are there really people out there like this? I’m not talking your parents who use crapgpt for what’s the weather or whatever; but like people who know and want this?

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Did you read it? I do not see this "is good actually and open source is wrong" anywhere, it seems you misunderstood something. Calm down and have a nice day!

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Did you read it?

    I’m talking about this part:

    that's just even more confusing for people picking between Linux distributions and desktop environments.

    Being exempt from building or using the system doesn't save Linux and open source from being locked out of the room by companies who then require it by law.

    Which seems to imply that they think open source projects should do it because they will face adoption issue. Which might be true, but really we need to stop these laws from happening in the first place. I will grant that the poster does not attribute foot nor bad to the situation.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    but really we need to stop these laws from happening in the first place. I will grant that the poster does not attribute foot nor bad to the situation.

    What I think everyone is trying to tell you is that nobody is disagreeing with this sentiment. These laws are bad, I doubt the poster of the article would disagree. What is trying to be said here is if these laws go into affect (which is bad), and they exempt Linux (which seems good), they will quite possibly condemn Linux to an even smaller niche of tech nerds than it already belongs to and that is bad for Linux being a desktop platform, and it may be better for Linux to comply for its survival as a desktop platform. That is all that's being said here, nobody is arguing the merits of the laws.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    I think they are trying to say "Some people will use this" but it's more than likely the opposite "Linux should be forced not to have a exclusion. protect kids" blah blah blah, boot tastes good.

    because every argument for this, assumes it's not a push by meta to collect more data and train AI...

    In all honesty I hope all of this crashes and burns, like previous terrible ideas. punish the platforms, kids and parents. don't punish everyone else.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago*

    Personally I take any 'age check' I can't get around with a VPN and a browser ID string (or whatever the kids find next) as evidence of egregious enshittification, and my answer is to stop using that site.

    But I'm in a privileged position where I don't need to for work, never did facebook et. al., dropped reddit (and slashdot before it) except for niche, mostly read only stuff that I can drop in a heartbeat and am a non USian. The vasty majority of internet users are not.

    The article is right, this is going to cause headaches at the least and breakage at the worst. Once 99% of the population has accepted this (95% of non phone users), they'll come for linux, rewriting and refining the currently broken legislation. The politician class globally hates free speech and private communication, this is another big nail in the coffin.

    I have some hope that the internet will treat de-anonymization like censorship and route around the damage, at least for quite a while. Sturgeon's law also applies, at least 90% of the internet is crap, and the proportion is climbing fast with AI slop, but it's also the greatest single step in freedom of access to (useful) information ever and I don't want to lose that, and we shouldn't have to pay for it with voluntary surveillance.

    Remember, there's a bunch of other choke points that can be used to the same effect as OS, ISPs, DNS, fingerprinting, search engine, the list goes on. It's just that Microsoft, Apple, Google actually want this for the data harvesting potential so OS is easy.

    At some point there will be a need for internet 2.0 built with anonymity and encryption baked into the bottom layers, perhaps it's time to start building.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago

    Age verification seems silly but if Linux doesn't play along with compatibility, it's doing to be locked out here in 3 years.

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    [–] 47 points 5 months ago (17 children)

    Honestly they can just fuck off. Anti cheat doesn't work on linux? Ok I won't play your game. Age verification will be just like that too. You require it? Guess I won't play then. I'll vote with my wallet.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (16 children)

    Fundamentally I agree with you, but what happens when your bank, credit cards and utilities start requiring integration with the OS to verify age?

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Why on earth would my bank or utility company need to verify my age though my OS when they have all my info already?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Its more that ypur payment provider will stop working with whatever platform/store your game is on if the platform doesn't require games to implement age verification.

    So games would just generally stop working (out of the box) on linux, because steam or gog or whatever will only sell games that rely on OS age verification, because otherwise they would not be able to accept credit cards.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Sounds like a great reason to use cash again and support local businesses.

    Need steam games? Buy steam cards in store.

    Bonus: payment processors get less money. Since, ya know, they want to censor our game purchases too.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Then I'll return to cash and cash-alike prepaid cards?

    Prepaid debit cards are a multi-billion dollar industry in the US, they will lobby against any type of requirement to have digital identity verification to use their cards online or in apps.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    After the Patriot Act, how in the hell do you acquire prepaid debits‽

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Why would my utilities require age verification? I don't have or want credit cards.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (6 children)

    What utility company charges without ID‽

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    I have never had any of them check. I created an account with details they sent in the post addressed to the homeowner

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (4 children)

    yeah, they validate the homeowner matches the landlord’s addresses, otherwise they couldn't serve the proper unit/terminal….
    that's Identification.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    The only validation is someone is paying for the energy at this address. They don't really care beyond that.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Miss a single bill. See how your validation crumbles.

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  • [–] 31 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Anyone who thinks age verification is a good idea and claims to be a linux fan needs to get their head on straight, this is meant to consolidate control not protect kids. They don't give a shit about kids.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    What if they do the attestation bs with TPM so only a "genuine" windows running "genuine" Chrome with no ad blockers can access things like banks, job ads, and the Internet in general?

    Hell, they could require ISPs only allow such packets to pass. VPNs would become pointless.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Braindead take.

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