Banning social apps for under-16s, as has happened in Australia, is one of the options being considered.

Kendall said a response to the consultation would be published in the summer.

Campaigners are broadly split on whether an outright ban on social apps for children is the best approach.

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[–] [S] 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I'm concerned that a ban is one of the likely outcomes of the consultation. I don't think it's the right way to tackle this. It's not only children who are victims in this, although they are the most tragic ones. Social media platforms affect us all. Regulation of functionality and design patterns is in my opinion a better option, although the optics of such doesn't give the picture of a decisive government in quite the same way as a ban.

Requiring ID to use social media puts the onus on the users. The onus should be on the platforms.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Requiring ID makes people happier with ID docs overall, so that they can still swipe through TikTok or whatever they do these days.

    Asking change and responsibility of the companies might lower shareholder value.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 5 months ago

    Requiring ID also vaporizes more of the rights to privacy online for the entire rest of the population, and if you are against that, then it must be because you don't care about child safety.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Has anyone tried talking to the children - y’ know, asking them if they’re ok and stuff - instead of just kneejerk legislating even more of their childhood away?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

    I feel sort of ambivalent about the whole thing myself. Yes, it is yet again surveillance state crap being pushed onto all of us under the THINK OF THE KIDS umbrella and keeping them off social media is rather difficult if the desire to go there is strong enough. So the kids might begin delve into the less corporate depths of the web such as here in their search for ways around the restrictions, which wouldnt be bad either i would say.

    On the other hand, social media is a cancer on society and the mental wellbeing of (not just) young people. If this somehow led to the kids collectively returning to the real world, meeting and interacting like it used to be common, that would be fantastic. Could even inoculate them against the right wing propaganda machines at work online.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    This isn't going to bring back third spaces. This isn't going to make "loitering" the sort of thing police come over to bother you over. This isn't going to help children stuck in suburbs or ones stuck with parents who think everybody is out to rape them because of the yellow press.

    They could make social media less of a hellscape - ban advertisements, hold them accountable for misinformation, set minimum standards for user control over feed algorithms, that sort of thing.

    They could make existing in public as a child more viable - restrict cars, expand public transportation, add child friendly bike lanes and pedestrianstreets, subsidize third spaces for unaccompanied children, make the outdoors more pleasant to exist in by adding so many more (homeless-friendly) benches and hangout spots that the homeless can hang out in some spaces and kids in the others, etc.

    But no, they just ban the place sympathy for Palestine came from by expanding the surveillance state.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    I’m not British, but from the outside it seems the meeting could give an unpopular Starmer a saviour story he desperately needs, and an ID-based system would let big tech have its way with citizens: the algorithms tearing our societies apart remain unchallenged and profitable.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    Politicians love the idea of a social media ban for kids because they don't have to do much, but it looks like they're doing a lot.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    This will be the excuse to make VPNs illegal. Very convenient.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    About time. It only takes one speech to step down Sir Keir.

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    [–] 15 points 5 months ago

    Improve education? No!

    4day workweek at same pay to give more time for parenting? No!

    Tax the rich and their wealth to expand social services and improve education? Also no!

    Invade all our privacy with a measure easily circumvented? Ding ding ding! Winner winner 🏆!

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    How do these people look at themselves in the mirror and think they are looking at a good person???

    Isolating young people from, in many cases, their only way to participate in communities of people they have anything in common with is supposed to be good for them? Reduce suicide rates?

    Even disregarding the privacy problems, it's just an evil idea in the first place. The Internet is exactly (!) where young people belong.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    If we were talking about the internet of 2005 I would agree but sadly that’s not the internet we have today.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    And are we going to get closer to the Internet of 2005 by adding government regulation?

    I agree with you that today's commercial "social media" isn't great and probably does cause psychological harm to at least some young people.

    But any government regulation will only serve to make sure no one can build any forum or platform without enough revenue to cover compliance costs.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Wow just burning down the forest for the trees. We need to impose these controls to have control. How do you expect anything to get better without us, the people who have always been in charge of this beautiful thriving world, in charge of the internet too?

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Oh look... turns out that that the greatest perpetrators of child abuse is still - drumroll, please - parents!

    Golly gee! Who coulda thunk it? I do wonder which part of the other 24% qualifies as "internet"?

    But then again... unlike the internet, child abuse does not threaten western liberalism's most precious little genocidal white supremacist settler-colonialism project in the middle-east with truth - so that doesn't concern liberal génocidaires like Starmer.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    hey starmer it wasn't social media that killed brianna ghey it was the culture of transphobia peddled by your own government you fucking ghoul.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago*

    Okay that doesn't seem like a way to lose an election blamelessly. Would you like to rephrase that in a more transphobic way and try talking to the prime minister again? Perhaps explain how it would stop the boats or bring down petrol prices?

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