It's not deceptive, it's just trying to reach the people who won't care otherwise. This is Lemmy, we're self selected for giving a shit about privacy online. The average person doesn't. But the average person in Canada right now is screaming "elbows up" from the rooftops, so if you frame the C-22 debate around that, suddenly you have their attention.

Idk, the negativity directed towards the bill is overblown imo, and its getting amplified by US interests that don't want the bill passed. It's got multiple clauses explicitly saying "providers are not to introduce systemic vulnerabilities as part of complying with this bill", and "no user content is part of this". So of course people have interpreted that as "Backdoor to all your content!" and blasted that out continuously on social media, tied to petitions that auto-spam your MP against the bill. Adding in some additional alarmism of "Trump wants the bill!" to the scene fits.

If a particular service is being used disproportionately to facilitate crimes, such as fraud phishing calls, piracy, kiddie porn, coordinating terrorist attacks, white supremacist/racist groups, etc, then its reasonable for that service to be regulated / beholden to government dictates/rules. We've taken that approach to things like Firearms, where we recognise that most owners of firearms are likely regular law abiding people, but the risk/negative elements of it are such that they warrant regulations. We don't allow gun makers to avoid those regulations just because they don't want to keep track of who they sell guns to, or how their guns get used once sold. Even if logless VPNs have some legitimate purpose, and a good number of their users aren't breaking any laws, the criminal elements that take advantage of those services are such that they warrant regulation. Canada's charter doesn't enshrine a right to privacy, but rather a right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure -- and in the case of online communications, there are clearly times when it would be 'reasonable' for law enforcement to demand more information about a user and how they've used a service. Just because a company "can" provide some sort of service, does not mean it necessarily "should" be allowed to, nor does it mean that the service offered is in the best interests of the broader community.

It's also funny how on the one hand, you have people complaining about the access involved with C-22 in regards to logless VPNs, on the other you have people complaining about OpenAI not taking more action in relation to the Tumbler Ridge shooting -- ie. that the company should've been directly monitoring the conversation and reporting it out to the govt. Now try to write some sane legislation for those two situations. It's like the US lobbyists just want Canada paralyzed on any tech regulation, as a lack of any stronger regulations translates to easier tech-oligarch control/manipulation of Canada, and a wild wild west type freedom to the propaganda they sling. Makes destabilizing the country with tools like faceless influencers promoting alberta separatism that much easier.

They are adamant about using "Canadian resident" cloud services, that are provided by US controlled cloud service providers. In these cases, data sits in "Canadian" data centers, at least partially, but is effectively controlled, and accessible by, US companies. Data residency doesn't prevent the data from being processed, accessed or used by foreign countries, it just means you need to save a copy on a Canadian server. But even data on foreign servers (to the USA), if/when accessible by US companies, the USA government, through the patriot act and cloud act, has established such data is very much within their scope.

Consider a company like Telus. Telus offers email, but it's actually just gmail or O365. Gmail and O365 are both US controlled companies. The servers are generally within US-based cloud service providers. Telus offers Business Connect for VOIP services. That service is actually just Ring Central. They even route all your traffic through US-based Ring Central servers. That data is exposed to US companies. That's one of Canada's major telcos, shoveling everyone's data over to the USA.

Even the Canadian government has stated that having your data in a US-company controlled tech stack means you have no data sovereignty. The most likely reason the Canadian govt is trying to build a bunch of data centers, is because they want to make sure they have the infrastructure for a 'sovereign' public cloud service provider, as an alternative to USA's AWS/Azure -- similar to setups you see in the EU. In the white paper linked above, they effectively admit that the data residency requirements in Privacy legislation is insufficient for protecting Canada's data / systems -- but they can't realistically think about pushing privacy legislation to change from 'residency' to 'sovereignty' until they have the infrastructure to support most critical industries in a sovereign space.

Having access to this data, to use however they want, is also something that Rubio explicitly ordered the US Govt wings to fight to maintain access to in foreign nations. They're actively integrating any data they can touch into their AI surveillance programs, and view other nations taking back control of their data as a "national security threat" to the USA. And they explicitly want to challenge any legislation, such as bill c-22, as part of that initiative.

*made some edits to clarify some bits a little.

That was a part of the reason but if you remember, they were in and out of US courts of infringement rights, or this reason and that. The president himself had one until "being it was an offshore provider." and Apple has caught up. Yeah, they might have been slow on the upgrade; however, the Americans helped Blackberry go by way of the do-do bird. They do not like the competition... The whole story is not so crazy. Living in the BB community, you hear all kinds of stories you will not read.

Yes, but there's something called scanners - like the ones used in airports - not the old style x-ray. The ones that actually can differentiate materials, layers etc. There are even ones in airports (the last time I encountered this was in more updated airports in Europe), where you don't even have to take out your laptops etc.

Australia already made a mistake with a similar bill and saw a 22% drop in R&D investment. We can't afford the same here for both our businesses and our citizens.

I believe Canberra has signed a deal with Washington to allow the American authorities access to Australian data from Australian companies and the Canadian government has been planning on a similar agreement since 2022. It’s bad enough we’re part of the 5 eyes.