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[–] 106 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Remember they will invest billions to kill unions as they already had in the past. You will begin to hear a lot of negativity towards unions.

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  • [–] 36 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    It saddens me people fall for those anti union videos. Theyre obvious bullshit. A lot of people arent bright at all.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago

    Yeah, I used to have a manual labor job and I had heard there the company had fleets in other regions that were unionized. I was like "Cool, can we do that?"

    The response was basically "No, because even though our hourly wage would be better, we would no longer be able to work so much overtime so our take-home pay would be smaller."

    Even at the time I thought that sounded like a better deal (I'd gladly reduce my hours for a higher rate?) But everyone else just took that as facts and thought the unionized fleets were a bunch of suckers...

    I guess it doesn't help that manual labor jobs tend to be filled with the less educated...

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, the second half of the headline surprised me. I was expecting something along the lines of "The industry struck back hard, punishing them severely."

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  • [–] 41 points 5 months ago

    Unionize Everything!

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  • [–] 32 points 5 months ago (14 children)

    So how do I, a tech worker not at any of these institutions, support the general movement toward unionization? Due to me being outspoken in general, I can't really vocally support unions in a way that companies might notice (cause they wouldn't hesitate to fire me for some other reason). But I can send money or do other things. I just need to know whatever organization I am supporting is a real deal. Not just another power monger looking for a way to gain influence.

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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    At a minimum, speak positively of unions to those around you and, if possible, educate those that don't know. So many people think unions are a bad thing from the historical propaganda.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    Unions are why we have 30 days vacation every year in Europe. Its the entire reason why we are not completely exploited like in the US.

    Many people fought very hard to make that happen.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Oddly enough... I have noticed something. People in tech are sick a lot. Many tech places have unlimited sick and pto. People know the pto isn't really unlimited. So they just are "sick" a lot. In the end, a lot of people take a lot more than 30 days. So that kind of argument won't sway many of them. The layoffs though. And the way they are handled. That is what people really really don't like. And the healthcare crap. Those are the things I mention if the subject of unions ever comes up.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    I used to work in tech and I think it's very draining these days, with AI and the constant pressure to deliver more and more. Could be why people are "sick", they just can't work on that level all the time, even being young.

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  • Yep, they know they need a break, and it's kinda like being sick anyway. :) I just avoid working that hard in the first place. I almost never stay up late to work. Like once or twice a year if it's some truely critical thing. Or just something I am really interested in. And if I work after 5, it's nearly always because I am gaining some sense of completion or satisfaction from the specific work. Never just because some arbitrary deadline was set.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Sneak a few fliers up around the office? Careful how you print them though, cause they'll probably print with tiny yellow fingerprints hiding highly identifying information

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Wouldn't you need to be law enforcement to even begin to follow that paper trail?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    You think law enforcement wouldn't run a few fliers as a favor to their buddies among our corporate overlords?

    I'm not saying it's a given, but it's enough of a possibility that I'd still be careful.

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  • [–] 30 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    If AI makes IT and tech workers unionize, it actually created something useful.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    No shit! The amount of capitalist loving IT workers is staggering, a strong anarcho-libertarian bent to them. Which is why it's hard to really unionize them because they don't really believe in unionization as it gets in the way of money some how.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Unionizing is a free market solution that disrupts a crony government which only represents connected elites.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Aye but they've taught not to see it that way, they've been propagandaized that it's a driving factor in worse conditions and pay.

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  • [+] -3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)
  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    Posted by someone who is bitter that ppl can wfh in tech and no one suffers (business actually flourished if looking at the numbers, gets less cars on the road and less stress) except useless middle managers who only know how to micro manage

    You deserved your lay off. You don't actually produce revenue, parasite.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    im sorry i was never laid off, im in an industry that isnt part of the scheme of AI, so you are the sucker, and my comment is no way meant to denegrate these workers, but stating that the time was before the layoffs they shouldve unionize, no need to bee insulting, by the way you are only hurting yourself too.

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  • [+] -46 points 5 months ago (34 children)

    I have mixed feelings on this. Tech workers are often the henchmen of borderline evil organisations. They’re looking for a place at the table, rather than to hold the companies accountable.

    Of course, if it’s not as easy to lay them off maybe they can afford to risk holding them to account. I’m sceptical though.

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  • [–] 69 points 5 months ago (21 children)

    There are tens of millions of tech jobs, the vast, vast majority of which is doing boring stuff like running the websites you visit.

    ...and then in their free time some create platforms like the one you're on roght now, for free. So the generalization you made therr isn't that appreciated.

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  • [+] -7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    And they create the open source software in their free time that then gets abused by big tech.


    I'm struggling to get the downvotes. Can someone explain how this is not the case in our world? MongoDB had to change their license because AWS would fuck them over. cURL and OpenSSL are used by all of them without much help, Bambu (OK, not really big tech) fucks the AGPL, Microsoft fucks everyone, all AI companies rob open source code...

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  • [+] -24 points 5 months ago (17 children)

    the vast, vast majority of which is doing boring stuff like running the websites you visit.

    And a lot of the Nazis also did administrative work.

    That does not make it ok. You don't get to pretend you're not part of the problem simply because "well I need a job".

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  • [–] 33 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    Yeah, but not all administrative work is for Nazi Germany, that's his point. Unicef has a website, not sure I could confidently call their engineers Nazis.

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  • [+] -20 points 5 months ago* (9 children)

    I think you misunderstood. I didn't suggest all administrators were Nazis.

    I was saying that administrators existed in the Nazi regime, and they are not excused simply because they never personally pulled a trigger.

    My point was about people working in the tech industry, not sure why you're bringing up UNICEF

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    Their point is it's a job title and working for the worst offenders in big tech isn't entailed in that. You can work in tech by writing surveillance software for Palantir or you can work in tech by being the website admin for UNICEF. Both are tech workers, but only one is part of the problem.

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  • [+] -11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    And I was talking about the ones who work for places like Palantir

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    And some steel workers wild tanks, some auto workers are contracted for government vehicles, email providers facilitate global pedophile rings.

    It's weird to make the claim in general because... yeah, every job might have people doing evil things in some section of the industry. Tearing down unions only supports the rich and the evil

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Where was I "tearing down unions"?

    Steel is an amoral building material

    So, what are some good things Palantir does that makes it comparable? Isn't that the implication here? Steel is neither good nor bad, but it can be used to make bad things.

    So I would love to hear how Palantir is similar. How is Palantir neither good nor bad?

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Dude just stop embarrassing yourself

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    Oh please, explain to me why I should be embarrassed! Thanks in advance

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    You have a whole thread of people telling you.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago*

    I really don't.

    Are you seriously this thrown off by, "the Nazis tried to use the same defense and it (rightfully) didn't work?"

    But please, why should I be embarrassed? I'm super curious.

    Here's a hint: the part about being in a union is irrelevant to me. If you work for Palantir, then you can go fuck yourself. There is no excusing it.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    Hi, let me introduce you to Godwin's Law, because you're apparently new to arguing on the internet. Sadly, at this time, you have lost any possible good faith as your argument is dumb.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    In 2021, Harvard researchers published an article showing that the Nazi-comparison phenomenon does not occur with statistically meaningful frequency in Reddit discussions

    While it's certainly overused, and that is trivializing and harmful; turning nazi comparisons into an immediate eye roll is also harmful.

    I can't even count how many times leading up to 2024 that I tried explaining to people the glaring similarities between Hitler's rise to power, his ideology, propaganda, and intentions, and those of the nascent trump administration; and people would just write me off as some hyperbolizing troglodyte.

    Now we're in 2026 and people are finally starting to see the similarities. Too late.

    Of course, the user you're responding to is an idiot and misapplying the analogy by making an overly broad generalization intended to harm the unionizing movement. So that's pretty asinine and contributes to the eye-roll phenomenon.

    But I still question how helpful this "Godwin's Law" is as a concept. Seems like something the Knesset would use to evade nazi comparisons...

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Holy shit thank you for introducing this ancient Internet history to me!!

    Imagine thinking Godwin's Law still applied in 2026. We have literal fucking Nazis running the United States

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    When you make a factually sound argument with legitimate comparisons to actual Nazis, it's not Godwin's. But comparing unions to Nazis is corpo-propaganda at it's best.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago

    I didn't compare unions to anything, I compared people who are doing evil shit for evil corporations.

    I don't care that they're in a union, they are part of the problem and there is zero excuse for it.

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  • [–] [S] 19 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    well, from where else should come the power to interject with the company's plans if not from forming unions? Like what does it mean to hold a company accountable if you have no leverage? Quitting and making a post on social media about it?

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    It’s good to be suspicious, a healthy dose of critical thinking is well warranted.

    But I would advice you consider that everyone and their mother was encouraged to “become the next Bill gates” if they’d showed any acumen in computers at all since about 1985. Also consider that working on a piece of software or infrastructure is often that piece; you don’t always get to see the big picture.

    Overall I think this is a good thing; I guess it really matters how this union is controlled. Will it really be in the hands of the majority, etc

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    Most tech workers I know, myself included, are just trying to pay their bills and not be homeless. Yes sometimes salaries are higher than other fields. Though not as often as you might think. And many people are not trying to be “the next bill gates.” Which as you mention your supportive parents and grandma might have said in 1985. But no one is saying that anymore.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Don't let perfection be the enemy of good.

    At least they are fighting back. And now they have the collective power to stop working.

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  • [–] -4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    My question is: for who will they fight back? Meta employees have shown us they only fight for themselves as employees, not the victims of their work. And then there’s what Microsoft did to those who opposed involvement with genocide and colonialism. Many more examples too.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    Having people hear about big tech companies unionizing can only help. Unions keep pressure on the companies, and keep them from going too far. Other companies hear about it, and offer up their own reforms voluntarily, hoping it will keep the workers from unionizing. Either way, unions work for EVERYBODY.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago*

    Sounds like you live in a black and white world. Sorry, the world is not as easy as you'd like.

    Trying to claim that all people who work in tech are in on sinister plots for Big Tech is cartoon-level oversimplification.

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  • Intersting pint. Not entirely wrong either. The main issue is you said "borderline". Drop that and you would be more accurate. Henchmen are usually the people who get thrown to the wolves to protect the evil leader. That too is accurate. Do you think henchmen do that willingly? I can tell you they do not. You can look at google and microsoft and such, where tech workers have spoken out about d What their company is doing. They don't like it. But there are very very few jobs in tech where the company isn't evil. So the best course of action they can take is to try to get some control and steer the company away from evil. They won't be able to make it not evil, they just can't get that much power. But they can make it a bit less evil. And if the union gets big enough it can lobby politicians and such to get laws passed that can further contain the evil. So it's kinda just something that can be done.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago

    Lay offs coming soon

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    [+] -11 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    Too little too late, but good for them.

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  • [–] 22 points 5 months ago* (8 children)

    It's neither. Sometimes you gotta plant trees at the second best time.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Yeah, yesterday might have been the best time; but today is for sure better than tomorrow or next week.

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  • [+] -6 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Spoken like an entire population of people who have given up.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Hating on any type of progress and then attributing your hate to an entire population, yikes.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I’m sorry I prevented you from getting your dopamine from reading Lefty Placating Puff Pieces by pointing out how the system is failing and everyone is allowing it. YIKES

    But, at least you could get that dopamine from our interaction.

    Enjoy the direction your country is going in because you allow it!

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  • [–] [B] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    can't appreciate people taking action against the bad shit going on because it's all joever

    also somehow "allowing" it to happen because they... encourage labor rights movements and are uplifted by good news?

    Get a grip man. These kinds of pathetic outbursts do nothing except putting a damper on someone's day, someone who's likely already oversaturated with bad news constantly.

    Appreciating and celebrating the small victories is important too, lest ye lay down and die like a dog because "there's no point".

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I congratulate them on their victory of unionizing their positions for the two months they have left before being laid off as part of “AI restructuring” or whatever fancy term absolves them from legal repercussions.

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  • [–] [B] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Only time will tell, but for everyone's sake I hope you're wrong. Either way you can't reasonably claim that workers standing up for their rights is a bad thing. Worst-case it lays the groundwork for something better adapted to a post-AI industry later on.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago

    I didn’t say it’s a bad thing. I said it’s useless. Unions are great, but they are no longer effective. Action is required. And if you look back six years, everything supports what I’m saying.

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