cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/47017054

Cartoon for Dutch newspaper Trouw. Art by Tjeerd Royaards

source mastodon - https://newsie.social/@royaards/116594142035336090

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[–] 7 points 5 months ago

The abandonment of facts began long before AI.

But it's certainly exacerbating that problem.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    This gives "boomer hating smartphone" vibes ngl

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    [–] 27 points 5 months ago*

    Author handle to hopefully make them easier to follow (and at least notify them that they're on Lemmy): @royaards@newsie.social

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  • [–] 45 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)

    "Yeeaeh, can I get a #2 DIY truth combo with a side of platitudes and a large willful ignorance? And then could I get a child sized looming environmental impact too?"

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  • [–] 40 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    “Would you like lies with that?”

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  • [–] 32 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    No thank you, the regular hallucinations will be fine.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    You sure? It's only 0.39 more and if you watch this ad first, we'll make it a large.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago*

    "Hold the em dashes!"

    (is loaded with em dashes)

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  • [–] 31 points 5 months ago

    This us fucking terrifying

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    This is not a comic strip, it needs to have two frames at least.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    The Misinformation Age

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Why isn't "truth" being sold by subscription? Leavin money on the table, folks.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    The ruiner's a collector

    He's an infector serving his shit to his flies

    Maybe there will come a day

    When those that you keep blind will suddenly realize

    Nine Inch Nails - Ruiner

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Ai slop is people

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    We had misinformation before AI...

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 5 months ago

    We burned things way before of the industrial revolution, sadly after that, things have started to get way out of control and now the whole planet is heating up. Enough quantity changes the landscape.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago*

    Friendly reminder: if you intentionally generate nonsense content thinking it will screw up AI, and congratulate yourself for being a Justice Warrior, you're equally screwing all the humans who look stuff up online. That form of social activism is like peeing in the pool, except there's no chlorine.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    useful propaganda tool, since conservatives cant tell the difference.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    The winners in the absurdity:

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  • [–] -4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Wow

    Is this it? Boomer posts invading lemmy?

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  • [+] -9 points 5 months ago (15 children)

    except the healthy and truthful facts stand doesn't and never did exist.

    If it did it would be simple to train a healthy and truthful facts AI, you would simply train it off from the truthful and healthy facts.

    but everyone makes up their own narrative until all written word appear relative to the AI, making it impossible for the ai to tell fact from fiction.

    When you read "slop" you are simply reading the words of someone who doesn't live in in your constructed narrative.

    And now to prove it I will have plenty of down votes on this comment.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    And now to prove it I will have plenty of down votes on this comment.

    I switched an upvote to a downvote after reading this last sentence, so it doesn’t really prove anything.

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  • [–] -5 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Except If I disagree with you it's because I have a different constructed reality.

    so my every argument no matter how irrational proves my point, making your point irrational making my irrational point rational.

    "The titular "catch 22" is a bureaucratic paradox: a pilot can be grounded for being insane, but requesting to be grounded proves he's sane - because only a sane person would want to avoid danger. Therefore he can never be grounded. Any escape route is blocked by the very rule you'd invoke to use it."

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Given that you seem to think this response is at all relevant to my comment, perhaps you have constructed a different reality.

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    It is relevant, you are making a statement that ai lies and as such has no value.

    Propaganda against AI wether for good evil or profit doesn't matter definitionally it is propaganda.

    but this would imply we have an ultimate source of Truth glean from almost religious like a Bible as suggested by the healthful truth bar.

    but the problem is that all humans lie all websites are influenced by ads, all news is politically biased, making your entire post misleading and therefore it's creating a false reality.

    Entirely relevant.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    We get it, you took a philosophy class, or read Kant, or something else equally useless. You’re espousing that there is no such thing as an absolute truth as an absolute truth.

    Do you really not see how the entirety of that argument just boils down to you nihilistically staring into the abyss of your own asshole?

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  • [–] -4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Incorrect on both accounts.

    My argument is around the general idea that humans are just as bad of a source of information as AI or worse, and the hallucination argument is not a valid argument it will not prevent anyone's jobs from being replaced by ai and people who go to the slop machine are not making an inherently worse decision, it might make a mistake but so will you.

    Also I've never taken a philosophy class.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    you are making a statement that ai lies and as such has no value.

    Am I?

    I thought I was making a statement about how I downvote everybody who says they will get downvoted, on principal.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    When you read "slop" you are simply reading the words of someone who doesn't live in in your constructed narrative.

    Tell me more?

    when someone reads slop, youre not reading human work. i dont contruct the narrative of who is born into exsistence, and who is not. I must not understand what you mean by these words.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago

    You actually are reading heavily distorted and rearranged human work, when you read the code you are reading the aggregate of all code from all idiots and all coders combined but the average person who coded is an idiot so you get bad code.

    When you read the philosophy of an AI you get every genuine genius and every babbling idiot but the average person is not a well read philosopher his only philosophy is to survive the day.

    Every thought ever had is within AI both good and bad and it has no way of knowing what is better than the other, that is the "slop" it is simply the average man's thought and tye average man is an idiot.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Deconstructing the premise from first principles:

    except the healthy and truthful facts stand doesn't and never did exist.

    • False: Bodies of recorded objective facts such as encyclopedia and scientific papers exist.

    If it did it would be simple to train a healthy and truthful facts AI, you would simply train it off from the truthful and healthy facts.

    • Logical fallacy: Assuming the antecedent, the first premise must be proved before a conclusion can be drawn.

    but everyone makes up their own narrative until all written word appear relative to the AI, making it impossible for the ai to tell fact from fiction.

    • Opinion. Artificial intelligence is designed to reproduce patterns. If you presume your prior premise was true, a "facts trained" AI should in theory have been able to distinguish truth from falsehood.

    When you read "slop" you are simply reading the words of someone who doesn't live in in your constructed narrative.

    • Conflation: "Slop" is a pejorative term for all content generated by artificial intelligence, but particularly low quality, sloppy, one.

    And now to prove it I will have plenty of down votes on this comment.

    • Logical fallacy: Strawman. Constructing a poor argument in order to prove it is, itself false, at best, a waste of time.

    Overall truth value: 16.17% (Mostly misleading/inflammatory comment)
    
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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    If it did it would be simple to train a healthy and truthful facts AI, you would simply train it off from the truthful and healthy facts.

    Not how AI works. I mean, it's technically possible to train an AI that only generates truth, but it would be so overfitted that it's functionally no different from the search bar on Wikipedia.

    Large language models need randomness to function. They cut up every true sentence in the training data into tiny tokens and reassemble them into... well, whatever arrangement of tokens satisfies the discriminator or the humans who grade the output. Discriminators can't tell fact from fiction and the humans generally don't care to.

    Even if you valued truth above all else during the training and rejected every false statement you encounter, there's no way you could judge the truth of every possible statement the system could ever produce. And with randomness most statements will be false, that's simply the nature of truth.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago* (9 children)

    Nooo, don't you see? There's no soul!

    AI just copies from the foundations laid out by humans and applies the idea in the prompt.

    But humans diligently study their predecessors and use it to pursue their own unique idea.

    Artists are super special unique divine transcendent souls creating objectively meaningful works!

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (7 children)

    I assume you consume exclusively AI generated content since its so great.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (6 children)

    My favorite are the video renderings of light novels.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    So.... fundementally human originating content?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (4 children)

    Doesn't all of it originate with a prompt?

    P.S. Through some balance of time zones and sleep schedule, we seem to be on at exactly the opposite times.

    Are you my Tyler Durden?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    That depends, are you open to making rich people into soap?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I'm more in the camp of simple communal independence, but I guess historically that attracts the attention of rich people in need of saponification.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Close enough, lets form a secret organization around planting edible anual-crops/bushes/trees on disused public land so anyone can harvest them.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Idk last time we tried that, Parliament criminalized it and beat the shit out of us.

    https://www.shortform.com/podcast/episode/stuff-you-should-know-2025-06-17-episode-summary-the-fencing-of-the-commons

    I'm imagining self sufficient (solar) stealthy mobile AI turrets that take out anyone brandishing a firearm while evading detection or capture.

    Or maybe a nanodrone swarm that sabotages firearms.

    Generally make it not worth the cost of enforcement.

    I guess hiding the crops might work too... subterranean gardens and mirrors redirecting sunlight?

    Really I've been thinking that connecting the communes with good communication and logistics might be the real silver bullet. Maybe they could form from scattered members who develop their own systems after being connected and thereby become too difficult to disrupt as a whole.

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