Privacy

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 4 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Then do it. Don't even bark.

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[–] Prathas@lemmy.zip 24 points 5 months ago (1 child)

I feel like it's more about making a statement to encourage other resistors being pressured. Hopefully.

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[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 14 points 5 months ago

If that's the case, then it's working.

Otherwise, I hope Canadians grow spines.

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[–] xav@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

This would be a loss for everyone (excepted the censors). I'd rather they manage to change the status quo.

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[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 1 point 5 months ago

how so?

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[–] neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 5 months ago (37 children)

If they left the Canadian market, what’s preventing Canadians from still using it?

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[–] funkforager@sh.itjust.works 64 points 5 months ago (33 children)

The Canada-region app stores like Apple or Android would be unwilling to let you download the app if the law passes. So without sideloading, it just wouldn’t be accessible.

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[–] Delilah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 124 points 5 months ago (5 children)

And by side loading you mean installing software on a device you own, like PCs have been forever. Side loading is a 100% bullshit term created by Apple and Google to try and make sure you don't think you actually own your devices

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[–] akilou@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Ok, I'm on board. So like what do we call installing an app outside of a store?

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[–] root@aussie.zone 15 points 5 months ago (1 child)

Installing a downloaded application.

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[–] Delilah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 5 months ago

Installing for short

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[–] Redjard@reddthat.com 3 points 5 months ago

Installing an apk, installing directly, ...
As opposed to installing from Fdroid, from gplay, ...

You can also go by source, like with the stores. For example Signal android can be installed from their website (by downloading an apk).

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[–] Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 5 months ago*

That’s factually not true though. Side loading was a term used before Google was even a company and before devices had internet access or peripherals/accessories to directly connect media other than plugging into your computer. Before devices had internet and you had to plug them into your computer to transfer files and install non-stock software. They would just say unauthorized or unofficial software if side loading wasn’t a term. It’s not like they need that term to exist for their shit behavior.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 20 points 5 months ago (2 children)

It's not sideloading.

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[–] ghodawalaaman@programming.dev 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

we called it installing in our days

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[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago

installing and Installing^TM^ have become different things and the people who grew up on mobile devices never installed anything but they did Install^TM^ plenty.

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[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Any reason Signal couldn't offer a web app client?

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[–] egsaqmojz@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

cuz they dont store msgs on a server. feature, not a bug

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[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 child)

Web browsers have a local storage API.

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[–] Rat_in_a_hat@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 months ago

Signal mentioned that their apps were best for security and a web browser had too many vulnerabilities that they couldn't guarantee.

They prefer to manage their own apps - a signal desktop app being one of them.

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[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 months ago

Am I the only one who has app store accounts for multiple regions?

But actually, if this happens (and it won’t, at least this time), the next bill to go through would have to be for the right to sideload. Because all of the politicians use Signal and would need a way to install it.

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[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 point 5 months ago

i'll never cease to be amazed how much sideloading has become synonymous with obscurity at best and app-death at the worst.

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[+] quick_snail@feddit.nl -8 points 5 months ago (17 children)

Or people could just install it from fdroid.

Oh wait, signal isn't FOSS so it isn't allowed on fdroid.

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[–] theherk@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android AGPL

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[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

Lol no.

Download the apk. It includes that AGPL and also non free blobs. Just because part of if is Foss does not make if foss

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[–] theherk@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Nothing to laugh at here in my view. It is FOSS. The reason it isn’t on there is sort of procedural. You could easily build signal from source, but signal prefers only their builds connect to their servers. They of course can’t enforce this but fdroid is happy to do so.

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[–] CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 13 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

Molly is on fdroid I believe

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[–] Ash37970244@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago

Yep and Molly is even better :)

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[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 3 points 5 months ago

Not the official repo...because they couldn't meet it's acceptance criteria. Which is a red flag

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[–] ruplicant@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago

I think it used to, but unfortunely Molly is not on Fdroid's repo. You can download it from the app, but you'd need to add Molly's repo

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[–] ItJustDonn@slrpnk.net 5 points 5 months ago (4 children)

what about Molly, then?

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[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl -4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Molly is Foss, but it's not on fdroid for likely other sketchy reasons

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[–] eodur@piefed.social 8 points 5 months ago

Its on Accrescent though

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[–] TiredTiger@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

You can import the repo into F-Droid.

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[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl -1 points 5 months ago

...and make yourself less secure, sure

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[–] root@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

I get it from FDroid via the Guardian repo. No issues.

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[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 2 points 5 months ago

Security issues. guardian repo has no acceptances criteria. Closed source blobs? Allowed.

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[+] racoon@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

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[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 months ago

Well unless they want to add verified APKs of all the apps I do use to their app store, their frowning is useless because every graphene user basically needs f-droid as it stands now.

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[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl -1 points 5 months ago

And we frown upon grapheneOS because of numerous human concerns

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[–] sekurious@lemmy.nz 19 points 5 months ago (1 child)

I think they can use the VPN to get access to it. It’s a way to make sure governments doesn’t exert too much pressure to give up data!

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[–] Rat_in_a_hat@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago

True, until VPNs are also banned (like some US states are doing). One anti-privacy law passed will bring up another, then another, then another.

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[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 3 points 5 months ago

This is one of the things that bugs me.

If you're in Country A, with all your operations in Country A, and what you do is legal in Country A, why should you give a single fuck about Country B's laws?

Seems to me the appropriate answer is basically to do what The Pirate Bay did with DMCA notices- respond that your laws don't apply to us as we have nothing to do with your country, and if your citizens use our software that's between you and them. It's not our job to enforce your laws on your citizens.

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[+] racoon@lemmy.ml 22 points 5 months ago* (9 children)

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

Look up oversec.io

It basically uses android accessibility features to both encrypt and decrypt messages.

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[–] ghodawalaaman@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

I couldnt find the source code. is it foss?

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https://github.com/oversecio/oversec

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago

It was last updated 7 years ago.

So it's open source but outdated.

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[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Pretty sure I read stories in the past of Google or someone like them banning people who were sending pre encrypted messages over one of their chat services.

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[+] racoon@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 months ago (1 child)

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[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

A computer was anyway. These services arent necessarily reading our messages personally, but the algorithms parse them for ad placements or whatever, and it probably got flagged as being unreadable.

Edit: Some services that arent intending to be secure chat might not like the idea of encrypted content on their system either. What is it? What are they now harboring which wasn't their intent at all? Like if you made a lemmy community and only had encrypted messages on it, a mod from the server might have something to say about it.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 months ago*

They still ban you now and then, if you encrypyt to their drive.

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[–] RVGamer06@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago

Oversec is like that, but IIRC it doesn't work correctly on the latest versions of android

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[–] dltk@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Legislators who try to make such laws should be summarily executed.