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[–] 179 points 5 months ago* (11 children)

The race organizers really fucked that one up. But women catching the back of the men’s peloton is a “problem” that happens from time to time, and it can be hard to tell when it’s incidental or intentional strategy. It has been a tactic for some women to push extra hard at the start to try and catch the men’s field to draft behind them until the finish, which is an unfair advantage. Which is explicitly illegal in most racing series.

Though that gets complicated when it’s a woman catching a large men’s peloton that the female rider can’t ride alongside, and would have to just ride awkwardly far behind the pack to avoid running afoul of the rules.

I don’t know the details of this race in particular, but it seems the organizers halted the race to avoid this once they realized they really should have started the women’s race later. Was she intentionally trying to catch the men’s group? Maybe. Starting a breakaway from 2km in is almost certainly unsustainable, so if she wasn’t planning on catching the men’s field, it was either gross overconfidence or terrible strategy. She was very likely going to get caught by the women’s peloton regardless, and passed since they’ll be on fresher legs when they do catch her.

Edit: I should add that stopping the race for a few minutes with a neutralized restart is not entirely uncommon in pro cycling. For example, if part of the field has to stop and wait for a passing train, they’ll stop the front of the race as well, and restart them with the approximate gaps between groups they had before the train.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    This article is clickbaity, making the situation sound like misogyny to the uninformed, but I wasn’t aware of the profound effect of slipstreaming in cycling, so TIL.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Hi nimrod and welcome to WomensStuff! We're a trans inclusive women only forum and ask cis men don't comment. Please check out the rules ❤️

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  • [+] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    Let me flip that around.

    Why do men (and let's be honest here, almost always specifically white men) simply have to comment where:

    1. They have no meaningful lived experience outside of "I think i saw a woman in porn once".
    2. The people who are talking don't want to be constantly correcting and educating the ignorant.
    3. The group in question is a single fucking group out of literally THOUSANDS OF GROUPS where they are unwelcome?

    Doesn't that just make you cringe a little, being so fucking whiny and so fucking self-centred that you can't stand a single fucking space that doesn't want you?

    Note: these questions are for you to ponder, not reply, because:

    1. Answering it is against the rules. Don't be the kind of whiny shit that breaks the rules because your ego got bruised.
    2. I won't see the answer because nothing is more of a turn-off for conversational purposes than a whiny manosphere twit. You're getting blocked the moment I hit "Reply".
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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I'm fairly sure in this race in particular the men were going slow enough for me to keep up, so yeah, they shouldn't have held her back as many other women would've eventually done so too.

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  • [–] 28 points 5 months ago

    They paused the entire women's race, so it wasn't like it was just her who got "punished". They probably should have noticed the gap was decreasing way sooner and intervened before it got so bad that a headline like this can come out.

    Without all the details this seems really bad. Even with more details than the headline it seems awful that she had to stop and then ended up losing the race by a lot. It almost seems like she stopped while the race continued behind her. But with all the details, it seems like she may have lost the race due to her strategy. She was pushing way too hard early on and the women who paced themselves better ended up passing her later in the race.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)
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    Yeah it’s a little different for ultras. Drafting isn’t allowed, so they play out very differently from road races, they tend to spread out. But absolutely incredible result from Maddy!

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  • [–] 70 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    The article. The snapshot is fairly accurate. She was catching up to the mens' race support vehicles, they stopped her for five minutes. She lost her momentum and her groove, ended up finishing in 74th place.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/04/sport/cycling-women-belgium-intl-scli-spt/

    And this article says perhaps the entire women's race field was paused, not just the one cyclist in the lead. But anyone who's ever done any sort of distance sport event, you know stopping for 5 minutes can absolutely destroy your performance. A mental and physical disruption.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nicole-hanselmann-omloop-het-nieuwsblad-2019-cycling-race-men-belgium/

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Wouldn't it be good to rest after pushing so hard at the start of the race? That could actually create an advantage compared to people who didn't need a rest because they were pacing themselves more. I don't race though so idk

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Imagine your whole body wants you to stop. It physically hurts. The pain is how your body is telling you to stop. You manage to somehow compel yourself to keep going.

    Then you stop. Your body gets what it wants. And the pain hits and immobilizes you. No more rhythm to distract you.

    Immediately the inertia is gone. You just wanna stop, know you can't. Every moment of that waiting and knowing you have to continue is torment.

    To be stopped when in such a good groove is going to be even more demoralizing.

    Yeah that 5 mins was a nightmare.

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  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    While I'm sure there's a lot more nuance to this picture, I'm not going to split hairs over a metaphor I'm sure we're all intimately familiar with.

    Reminds me of the many bosses I've had who expected me to be nicer to butthurt male employees when they weren't used to having a woman supervisor. "Think about how hard it is for t h e m."

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    [–] 21 points 5 months ago

    https://time.com/5544228/female-cyclist-forced-to-stop-men/

    She said their race was halted for “five or seven minutes.” While she was given a head start to regain her lead when the race began again, Hanselmann told Cyclingnews that she lost her momentum when the race came to an abrupt stop, and her competitors soon gained ground. She ultimately finished in 74th place.

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    Why are these gendered? How stupid.

    Let them all start at once, at one event.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Yeah that's bullshit. Because the same thing happens in male-only races. Some people hang on to the peleton. That's racing strategy.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    In a combined race, even the fastest women have something to draft behind that rides faster than they normally could: a man.

    Ok, but every single race has people drafting behind others that are faster than them, right? Why is it a-ok for a slow man to draft behind a fast man, but it's cheating for a woman to draft behind a man?

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    Only the second person can draft, not the first. In this case the first person drafted, I think that's what this is about right?

    Edit: oh shit I'm not a woman, so I am not allowed to participate

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Ok I feel like that's a fair distinction, and in this case, makes it clear where the blame should be pointed: the race organizers. If it's the case that the person in the first position isn't allowed to draft, the race organizers should set the start times to where that isn't a possibility.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    the fastest women have something to draft behind that rides faster than they normally could: a man

    The fastest women are always going to be behind a man? The slowest man is always going to be in front of the fastest woman? I don't know shit about competitive cycling, but I'd love to see some stats to support that claim.

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    [–] 15 points 5 months ago

    Looks like this post has gained a lot of attention so I'd just like to drop the rules in here as a reminder-

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    If a man goes slow and falls to womens side do they give him a car ride or stop all the women? Like what's the standard protocol there.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    Just like women aren’t allowed to draft behind men, men aren’t allowed to draft women. So if he wanted to stay in the race, he’d just have to try to stay to the side of any passing female riders. Though in practice if he’s that far back, he’ll probably either drop or be pulled from the race.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago

    Why is bike racing segregated by gender?

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Wait til you learn why there's no major women's baseball.......

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