I've thought about it. And it's not just Trump. I see Trump more as a symptom of the problem, not the problem himself.

The thing is, my values just don't align with many, if not most other Americans. A lot of Americans are fairly money obsessed. Many Americans are greedy and selfish. There seems to be a culture of getting rich anyway you can, even if it is through unethical means.

I also think many Americans are hyper consumers. The idea seems to be to work and hustle and grind intensely, to make as much money as possible so that you can spend that money conspicuously. Work hard, spend hard, party hard. Indulge, indulge, indulge. Money and indulgence and consumption supersedes relationships and any kind of social connection.

And somehow, for some this money obsessed consumerism runs concurrently with a bizarre form of Christianity, even though those two things seem to be at odds with one another. Don't get me wrong, the greed and the consumerism are by no means restricted only to Christian Americans. There are plenty of secular or atheist Americans who are plenty greedy, too. It just seems to be in the DNA of the nation. Everything's money and money is everything.

Americans will say, "there's nothing wrong with working hard to support your family," but it's not just supporting your family, it's about making enough money to buy a massive house and fill it with stuff, and fill your extra large garage with big, expensive cars and trucks, and all sorts of "toys," like boats and jet skis and four wheelers, and campers/RVs. And no matter how much stuff you have, it's never enough. You always need more, or better stuff. That goes way, way beyond just "supporting your family."

Frankly, I'm exhausted by it. I tried living that way for a lot of years but I don't have the energy anymore.

I left with my toddler, dog, and non-US-citizen wife in February this year. It took 10 months of planning + prep work, and cost us a great deal financially. Went from a household income of $160k to $40k. And every day I see another headline I’m reassured that we made the right decision.

We don’t have to pay US taxes since we make less than $120k, but we still have to file US taxes. I’ll retain my citizenship for voting rights (they’ll come for them soon enough though).

Wish I had the money and transferrable skills to get the fuck out of here.

Hey that's me! Well I've left at least, need to get citizenship elsewhere before I renounce, but that's the path I'm on. Idgaf about dual citizenship or having a US passport in the future fuck all that I never want anything to do with the US again

This month my wife and I will be celebrating two years in Germany. Germany is not perfect and immigrating to another country is rough but we are much happier, healthier, and secure here. We never want to go back to the US. We are working on permanent residence (visa) and then citizenship.

I will stay to watch the meltdown as long as I live, I feel that it's kinda bullshit to flee, but I get it.

If I had a family I would at least be planning to leave, but I want to be here until the end if possible. Blood for the blood god.

How many renouncing their citenship for bad?

Are the 1% fleeing the ship they sunk?

I've decided that if they come after my naturalization they'd be doing me a favor. I already left. The taxes make it tempting.

Gee... I wonder what ever could be the reason

Does that mean they successfully give a stink to the IRS?

I get it, but also... Fuck Trump and the fascists. I won't let my absence from this country make it any easier for them.

Relevant video: https://youtu.be/xOp4PO0Ek9A

I'm just gonna kill myself

well ice is also scooping up a buncha citizens

In a country of 350M

Wait but if they leave, who will vote him out :(

I left back in 2015 after realizing that, had I stayed in the US, I probably would have killed myself. I haven't renounced so that I can help my parents (and, yes, I keep voting), but the punishing tax and retirement investing issues make things a huge pain. So much paperwork everywhere, can't invest in things, potential double-taxation, hours of forms to fill out for a country I've spent ~15 days in in the last decade, etc.