Now this is a quality shower thought!
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Sounds like a thing we talked about in a philosophy class I took.
You have a room, with nothing but a blank piece of paper in it. There is one thing in the room.
You fold the paper. There is now a crease in the paper. It is still in the room.
How many things are in the room?
A "crease" (like the corner of a table) is a distinct thing, yet it is part of the paper. There is no increase in mass in the room. Yet the crease remains.
maybe it's not a feature but a bug, they didn't plan it be there, but there it was
I mean, can anything exist entirely on its own?
The elements come to mind...
But can a particular element exist, without another element or elementary particle. Like I feel like you can't have hydrogen with out a proton and electron, and you can't have an electron without implying the existence on a proton
Laws of nature and the fundamental particles that everything is made of - but also, while a table itself is just a collection of atoms arranged in a convenient shape, the thing we mean by the word "table" is an actual thing that has causal power in the universe. A corner, however, cannot exist in a vacuum. It has to be part of an object rather than an object itself.
You're seeking the word "label," not "thing." At what point does it stop being a table, for example? When you take away 1 leg? 2, 3, all 4 (or more if it's a weird kind of table)? What if the removed legs are right next to it? What if the legs are on the other side of the world and new observers of the former table are unaware of this fact? Will they still call it a table or will the legs' absence alter their perception of the label? What if the legs are simply destroyed? What if an object was not originally built to be a table but someone said, "Hey, that's a table," and others around agree with them? Unga-bunga: the invention of language, the messy art of labeling. There is no real, objective table, just as there is no corner; we merely label it as such. Even for a long time I myself confused desks and tables until I realized that desks are basically tables meant to only be used from one side. They're all just made-up labels, every single noun out there.
And even with corners, at what point does it become no longer a corner? When 1cm is shaved off to round it? 2, 3? It therefore actually has substance because you can round it out, but all of these are ultimately labels/descriptors just driven by group consensus to make sense of the world.
The Greek Ship of Theseus comes to mind (fully renovate a dilapidated ship, piece by piece; in the end, is it still the same ship?). These are all human labels based on feelings. Nothing exists independently apart from conscious, sentient minds that apply, and remove, such labels.
Isn't a table just an arrangement of matter?
I mean isn't that symbiotic?
You don't need corners to have a table (it can be round)
But a corner cannot exist without features that form it.
It would only be parasitic if a round table was forced to be square against its desires. If a table wants to be square, the corners are being helpful.
Tree trunks are round. At least wooden tables are more likely to desire a circular shape. So corners are likely to be parasitic on wooden tables at least.
against its desires
Parasitism has nothing to do with will or even awareness. Technically, our gut bacteria could be considered parasites, no? Yet the best of ours even help the body last longer.
I don't think so? Just looked up the definition of a parasite and it needs to live at the expense of the host. Gut bacteria are beneficial I assume, so they aren't parasitic.
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