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Most Swiss back initiative to cap population at 10 million, poll shows (www.yahoo.com)
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[–] 58 points 6 months ago (7 children)

This is a ploy by right wingers to keep out immigrants. It's a proposal made by right-wing parties.

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  • [–] 32 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Yet again, leftists refuse to acknowledge a problem that bothers a majority of the population voting for right wing solutions. Is it a "ploy" if the majority of the Swiss agree to i? Who wants to live in an over populated place?

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    Lots of people in 1960s US were bothered by schools being integrated. Perhaps even the majority in many southern states. Does that mean we should have pandered to them?

    Just because some idiots think it's a problem, doesn't mean that we need to listen to them.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    An indigenous self governing community implemented population per land limit. Under other framing many would applaud it and I don’t see an issue with this per se. Of course there’s a matter of western countries benefitting heavily from industrialisation which is leading to a climate catastrophe and upcoming brazillion of migrants.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    An indigenous self governing community

    You mean Switzerland? The one with all the secret bank accounts and Nazi gold?

    Yeah, there's NO way that dark money from foreign sources could possibly affect the politicians, the media, and therefore the overton window in any underhanded ways!

    Your insistence on giving the benefit of the doubt as to the motivations behind nakedly xenophobic policy based on a severe misunderstanding of pop science at best is not as commendable as you seem to think.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago

    yes it was very arrogant from the parliament not to do a counter proposal. everyone feels the negative effect from the rapid growth. but the initiative is populism and won't fix anything.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    A large percentage of Americans have a problem with trans people, doesn't mean it's justified to kick them out or worse.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Unfortunately it's a fault of democracy. If by democratic powers the majority chooses to step on the rights of the minority, it's called "tyranny of the many".

    Nobody said the purpose of democracy is to be "just", it's meant to serve the power and will of the people.

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    • [–] 46 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (6 children)

    So, what happens when they get to the 10M limit? Newborn do not get citizenship until someone dies? Or do they "remigrate" those that have not "integrated with the society"?

    This is just dog whistling for fascist.

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago

    Eventually the Free Movement of Persons agreement with EU/EFTA will be cancelled. Means it will be harder to immigrate into Switzerland for work. Similar like Brexit (which didn't really work)

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    • [–] 15 points 6 months ago

    Sounds incredibly stupid and they didn't even try to come up with a proper number based on anything, they just went with a nice round number just above their current population number (~9 Million).

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    [–] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Ah yes, fascism. There is literally no excuse. There are people who say "8 billion people arent sustainable" but the truth is that one population of 8 billion is completely sustainable while there are populations of 10 thousand that arent. Obviously referring to the billionaires here. Hell, i think 8 billion people would probably fit comfortably in europe leaving the rest of earth unpopulated if we desired so for... some reason. More people is generally better for the economy and thats ignoring the fact that it is simply the only acceptable thing to do to let immigrants in.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I remember seeing a map a few years ago. Basically it said that if we built a megalopolis with the housing density of Paris, all of humanity would fit into half of Texas, but if we went for Tokyo density, we would all fit into Louisiana.

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    • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    That's not a bad idea.

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    [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Rich people will probably have exceptions to the rule.

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    [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    BUT HOW???

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    • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Infinite growth is inherently unsustainable. Deciding on a number where you think your country works and there is wealth to go around, is the hard part.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    The problem ISN'T that there's too many people for the resources available. It's that most of the resources are hoarded by a few thousand billionaires, leaving artificial scarcity for everyone else, especially the most vulnerable groups.

    Which will also be the groups worst affected by misguided at best (but most likely deliberately eugenic) ideas like hard and fast population limits.

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