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[–] 4 points 6 months ago

Because russia aims at food supplies.

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    [–] 128 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    Good luck to the soldiers who decided to go public with their situation. I hope they get rotated out and get some extremely deserved rest, if they get lucky then until war is over.

    As for the brigade commander, unless he can show the court spectacular excuses, I sincerely hope he likes it in jail, because without a spectacular excuse, that's where things are heading for him.

    One does not leave units to die, but recalls them. If one cannot recall an unit, one does not lie about it, and supplies them with all available means of staying alive and getting out.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago*

    Even setting aside the moral aspect, this is also bad from a purely strategic point of view, considering that Ukraine has been struggling to get enough fighters and therefore cannot afford to let the remaining soldiers starve to death.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I hope they get rotated out and get some extremely deserved rest, if they get lucky then until war is over.

    As for the brigade commander, unless he can show the court spectacular excuses, I sincerely hope he likes it in jail, because without a spectacular excuse, that’s where things are heading for him.

    Highly optimistic. With Ukraine's current situation, they can't afford to let go of their soldiers, let alone a brigade commander.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago

    These guys just can't catch a break.

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  • [–] 75 points 6 months ago (35 children)

    Now that Hungary is finally free from putins cock puppet and the EU loan is released, hopefully this sort of situation can be avoided.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    This is not a problem of funds. It's been a choice made by the higher ups in the Ukrainian military. there have been countless times where it became evident that Ukrainian soldiers are being surrounded and the choices were either to retract them. or keep them in their position without food or ammunition until they get annihilated. And they choice was always to let them be encircled and let them fight to the last one. It's been seen in Avdivka and many other cities

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    You mean this isn't a kupiansk problem but it is generalized all along the ukrainian frontline?

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah. It started a long time before Kupiansk. especially when russia's advances pickup steam 2024-2025. this year russia is struggling to advance. and even struggling to surround Kostiantinivka which is a key battle ground city. The situation is very confusing as to why the the frontline is frozen. Russia is either panicking or blindly following on plan's made years in advance.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    A lot of that is the insane lethality and size of the front in this war. If someone is on the front, it's 50km before you can begin to start feeling safe from drones. Are you going to amplify attrition on rescue missions that have a high chance of failure?

    Some of the problem is that there's been heavy incentives on destroying enemy equipment. An attacking drone unit has their eyes on what keeps their unit running and likely isn't coordinating too heavily with a defense unit that's been in a hole for months.

    If they can gamify the recording of strikes for supplies, they could also put an increasing bounty on supplying units via drop the longer they've been without. The reinforcement/evac of troops in these positions is a tough nut to crack.

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  • [+] -33 points 6 months ago (27 children)

    Avoided? All the EU loan will do is prolong this situation. Ukraine has absolutely no chance of winning that should be crystal clear after the previous hundred billion. More Ukrainians will be thrown into the meat grinder to meat the exact same fate as this man just to weaken Russia. Of which the oil is being unsanctioned so that both sides now have more money to throw conscripts into the meatgrinder. What a fantastic resolution.

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (16 children)

    What's your solution then? Force Ukraine to surrender, so Russia can starve Ukrainians without them being able to shoot back?

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  • [+] -26 points 6 months ago* (15 children)

    Just stop giving Ukraine money so they have to come to an agreement. You're talking as if the average Ukrainian concript wants to get sent to the frontline to die for a pointless war which will result in Ukraine losing anyway when Europe loses interest.

    Unlike actual resistance fighters, Ukrainians don't want to participate in the war.

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    An "agreement" under duress that includes territorial concessions. And the inhabitants of those territories will then promptly be genocided.

    And then Russia will attack again when they've rearmed, to do the same to the rest of Ukraine.

    Amazing solution.

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  • [+] -26 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    There is such a thing as security guarantees.

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

    Ukraine had guarantees before they were invaded

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  • [+] -20 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    They had worthless security guarantees which were not enforceable.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago*

    There is such a thing as security guarantees.

    Which are completely useless when Russia frames territorial gains as a great victory and uses that as a propaganda tool to propel its minions into power in guarantor countries, like AfD, Reform, RN

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Europe losing interest has been a talking point since 2022 but it has never actually happened.

    It certainly is a pointles war, but not becuase of Ukraine. As long as Ukraine as a country wants to keep fighting, I see no reason not the help them defend them selves.

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  • [+] -20 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Ukraine as a country doesn't want to keep fighting at all. There's a reason Zelensky is not allowing elections. Ukrainians are as happy to go into the meat grinder as the average Russian.

    Europe promised to give Ukraine what they needed to win and then gave Ukraine their old equipment to just barely keep hanging on while Europe bought new military gear. Not the mention the age demographics aren't looking too hot. Manpower isn't infinite.

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    If they have enough soldiers, then why was this platoon malnourished and forgotten? Why are all of Ukraine’s big “wins” in the media all done by use of drone? Where are these magical, Ukrainian Super Soldiers to retake ground against Russia?

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    Because shit happens, and some commanders still have this "USSR" logic.

    You think war is just black and white and easy?

    FFS even the USA, the strongest military in the world has a food issue occuring right now on the USS Abraham Lincoln.

    War isn't a video game.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Every day without Russian boots on the neck of Europeans is a good day.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Fight till the last Ukrainian!

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (5 children)

    No, it's sick how Ukraine has beared the brunt of Russia's aggression since 2014. We should have NATO troops in Ukraine.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    You can sign up today as a volunteer in the Ukrainian army to defend Ukraine against Russia. Why are you posting on Lemmy? Go risk your life for what you believe Ukrainians should be forced to risk their lives for.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    I already personally donate to the Ukrainian army, and my friends and I organize coordinated help for Ukraine.

    I am not militarily trained, so I wouldn't be much help as a volunteer.

    But you're right, Europeans should show more solidarity and support Ukraine more.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Don't worry the Ukrainian conscripts who are thrown into a van and dumped at the frontlines aren't militarily trained either. You can get military training in Ukraine, just join the legion.

    Or are you saying that you aren't willing to risk your life for the thing you demand others risk their lives for?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Your argument hinges on the idea that everybody in Europe can just show up on the front lines and immediately get training and a drone army to control, and that is not the case for either the Ukrainian or the Russian side.

    I am not demanding Ukrainians do anything. I just support those who want to fight against nazi imperialists.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago*

    You are demanding Ukrainians to do something. They are the ones getting forcefully conscripted and you support it. It's easy to make demands but you're in a position to take their place. You can certainly get that training and the drone.

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  • [–] 23 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Having a tendency to always read sentences in halves. I went straight into clicking the article, I was shocked at how very little remains on the bones of those men at was very disgusted at how Russia is torturing its prisoners.

    I started reading the article from the bottom. and that testimony of the woman who said that since the news went public, her husband wrote wrote to her reassuring her that they have started receiving more food, this confused me cause since when did Ukrainian prisoners in Russia get to write back to their families.

    I went up the article, and that's when I truly was shocked to discover that these men were not uks prisoners in Russia but Ukrainian combatants in the front line who haven't eaten for 17 days. I can't even imagine going for 5 days without food let alone 17 days. and that this is all done to them by their own commanders forcing them to defend slivers of land with zero regard to their condition. contrast that with the hundred of thousands of young Ukrainian men who fled the country because they had the means to bribe to escape. I don't blame those who are doing their best to dodge the draft in such an unfair regime.

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  • [–] 27 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    There’s more to the story than that if you read more of it. Russia was intercepting their methods to feed the men. They are also trying to be very cautious of giving away position

    Which is not to excuse the situation, but nothing is straight bad and straight good. War is shit. And furthermore I wouldn’t call this a ‘fix’.

    The men are still uncertain that their food line will not jsut get interrupted by Russia again. So even they are aware this isn’t a ‘fix’.

    It’s just PR.

    The fix would be if the war ended. And even then it’s a very very Far cry from all the damage that has already been done to call that a fix.

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  • [+] -15 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    I truly was shocked to discover that these men were not uks prisoners in Russia but Ukrainian combatants in the front line who haven't eaten for 17 days.

    Really? Ukrainian army is so unbelievably corrupt, as long as you can't cough up +2000€ to bribe the officer you will just get sent to the slaughterhouse to get murdered bybsome drone, all for nothing.

    Ukraine is seeing record numbers of desertion for a good reason, pretty much every house is probably hiding someone at this point. But I guess we're all supposed to cheer and clap like a bunch of hungry seals.

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  • [+] -25 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    At the same time Ukrainian uh, recruiters, are running people over and throwing them off of roofs, and even pressuring other countries to repatriate their citizens abroad... all to send them to starve and die on the front. Not looking too good.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Yeah the Russians give out steak dinners every night?! Have you seen this, have you heard about this?

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  • [–] -4 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    What does that have to do with this? I definitely don't support press-ganging people into war no matter what, particularly just to send them into something as hopeless and catastrophic as this.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Many people suffer from (good vs evil) for them Ukraine is good and Russia is evil. Then they have a hard time believing the good guys can do anything wrong.

    This is mostly clear when we see how it took Eroupe about 2 years of genocide to somewhat realize Israel is the bad guy, but then they got stuck because it is also clear USA is a bad guy.

    If you step out of this narrow point of view, you can clearly see that, Ukraine has always been intended to be a buffer zone, the one who benefit from that are mostly military complex and contractors. They don't care about human at all. That's why these news are expected.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah exactly which is why Russia doesn't do that. I agree with you!

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I don't understand what you are even trying to say here. Do you mean that Russia also is kidnapping people off the streets and sending them against their will to starve on the front lines? Because I would also be against that, but it wouldn't make it OK for Ukraine to do either. Let them fight who want to fight.

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  • [–] 49 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    And who are those estimates from? The same people who estimated they'd defeat Ukraine in three days?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    And I heard you were a little bit years ago and will be a little bit in 2028 when the Ruasian rape machine offs itself.

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