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[–] 115 points 6 months ago (9 children)

There are women in the Epstein files too, nothing happen to them either.

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    I mean maxwell is the only person associated with Epstein in jail right now......

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    The Norwegian Crown Princess is in deep shit though.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Wait what, really? A quick search doesn't return anything relevant. What did I miss?

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  • [+] 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    There's proof Matt Gaetz paid a teenager for sex, and literally nothing was done.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago*

    I used to write cheeky notes in the memos of checks to friends and family (eg "for: eye hole widening" or some shit like that) until I learned the bank and your accountant read that shit and if it looked or smelled funny they were professionally and ethically obligated to report it.

    Now I make sure it's embarrassing just not reportable. (eg "for: butthole removal, 2nd attempt")

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  • [–] 140 points 6 months ago (16 children)

    I don't think anyone is arguing gender inequality doesn't exist. Also this is class/power issue not a gender issue.

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  • [+] 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)
  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Were they deleted or something? I don't see them.

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  • [+] -15 points 6 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    You're making it sound like people are saying left and right that gender equality doesn't exist, when literally no one here is saying that. The comments you're referring to say the Epstein case isn't a gender issue, which is very different from what you're incorrectly perceiving

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Was about to post exactly this and am glad this is on the top.

    While there are gender disparity, Epstein isn't really about gender it is about ruling class having separate justice system than rest of us.

    There might be gender issues like less women being as rich and powerful, but that's secondary.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    A whole sex trafficking ring of little girls and people are saying it's not a gender issue. Lol okay

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  • [–] 69 points 6 months ago* (5 children)

    Im not sure this is the double standard you think it is. Women who are in the epstein files also seem to be getting off pretty easily.

    Not as easily as they would with fresh slave children to rape, but easily.

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  • [–] 37 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I find that, just as some people don't think trans men exist, some people don't think woman can be rapists or paedophiles.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It’s crazy how accountability seems to depend on who you are, not what you did.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    I don't think many people deny it's existence. Right-wingers usually justify it by appealing to nature.

    I, personally don't think that introducing girl-bosses and cancel-culture will help with the systemic issue that creates this gender inequality.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago

    Unfortunately sexist people will continue to generalize. Same as if I call most brown, black people criminals. Glad there are people with brain capacity like you, though the major movement is "some men bad thats why I will call all men bad"

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  • [–] 104 points 6 months ago (37 children)

    This is a class problem not a sex problem

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (18 children)

    That's right it goes in the "class issue" hole lol.

    I get why people see it as a sex issue since most of the rich people in positions of power that seemingly don't face consequences are men.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (16 children)

    most of the rich people in positions of power that seemingly don’t face consequences are men.

    which is just pure coincidence, right? in a world where genders are split 50:50, it is just the men who have skills necessary to reach these positions. no gender bias here at all...

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (13 children)

    Two things can be true at the same time... but yeah, stay distracted from the class issue it's ONLY a gender thing for sure 100% no way it's anything else make sure it's only about men and gender and definitely NOT class. Lol

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  • [+] 8 points 6 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Yes. I guess I should've made that clear on my first comment. I was more commenting on how people seem to see that men are in these positions, so therefore it's a gendered issue, and then they stop cuz they think they already understand the nature of the problem but there's actually more going on than what might seem obvious on the surface.

    I'm just sick of people getting distracted from class issues.

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  • [+] 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    Not being dismissed but you clearly want to take it that way.

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  • [+] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Ok, I read through other comments and you're right. There are people in here commenting that's in not a gender issue at all which is kind of wild. I wasn't very clear in my first comment that it's both issues. Some people see the gender issue and think that's all there is to it but you can also fit it through the "class issue" hole.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Two things can be true at the same time

    Exactly. So time for you and the other clowns who came with false dichotomy of "it is not gender issue, it is a class one" to shut up.

    You are literally arguing against yourself and you don't even realize it. It would be funny if it wasn't sad.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    there are no bad woman and all man are bad i guess

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    It's a bit of both, but the gender problem is at least partially derived from the fact that the larger portion of assholes at the top are men.

    Getting rid of them or clipping their wings would likely be overall better for women. Replacing them with a billionaire-class of women would not.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Sex doesn't matter. It is sad that people are blind fighting each other and getting fooled by assholes

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (4 children)

    I don't understand people who dismiss an entire gender's lived experience. How can you be so patronizing

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Op just baiting to get upvotes. Sadly there are too many comments agreeing with her. Fortunately top comments are the correct ones

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (2 children)

    I think the men on this platform struggle with any topic relating to the other gender. Case in point: needing to frame every problem exclusively through the lens of class struggle, even if it means demeaning the strugge of women or minorities. It's weird

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Why do you think they are mutually exclusive? I hate Lemmy sometimes. So incredibly myopic and laser focused one particular perspective.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (6 children)

    They aren't. The Epstein class didn't exclusively harm women. But nobody likes to mention the male victims it seems.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (5 children)

    You didn't disprove anything though. The perpetrators were predominantly male. Before you start screeching Gisslaine stop and reflect

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    M.H. Allegation: A 2021 lawsuit filed in Queens, New York, claimed that the "M.H." individual was under 17 and working as a high school intern when Epstein "induced" him into sexual acts, causing lasting mental anguish.

    Whistleblower Reports: Some individuals have come forward identifying as male survivors associated with Epstein's network, including connections to other high-profile figures and trafficking rings.

    Context of Abuse: While the majority of widely reported victims were young females, testimonies and legal filings suggest Epstein targeted young, vulnerable individuals regardless of gender to facilitate his trafficking ring.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I don't contest any of this. It doesn't negate the main point I was making. You're really invested in digging down

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  • [–] 28 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    i remember the 2016 race when identity politics were used as a wedge issue to break up class consciousness

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Gender equality is inseparable from class consciousness. The amount of leftist on this platform who are dismissive of feminism is kinda insane. If our class can't support and aid the most endangered minorities within our own body, why have any hope that any of this is actually about solidarity.

    Feminism is foundational in creating class consciousness in western society, you start from the bottom up. If you don't upset the social economic hierarchy then there is no reason for disenfranchised minorities to believe a revolution would be anything but a civil dispute within the current hegemony.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I think intersectional feminism had a great shot at lighting issues that different types of folk encounter. Somehow socioeconomic status was disregarded and focus was put mainly on race, sex and sexuality. Which is why poor, white, straight men felt were left out and quite understandably so. It wasn’t a problem with intersectional feminism though.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    Somehow socioeconomic status was disregarded and focus was put mainly on race, sex and sexuality.

    I mean it's not that big of a mystery when considering the American higher education system. Feminist education being dominated by professors from Ivy League universities made it inevitable that it would be learned through the lens of liberal economics.

    Though that's not really an excuse for self proposed leftist to conflate all aspects of feminism with "blue hair, hate men" that's so common nowadays.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I don't really understand why kyriarchy isn't talked about more by feminists. I think kyriarchy does a much better job of conceptualizing modern systems of oppression vs patriarchy. Multi-dimensional (kyriarchy) vs one dimensional (patriarchy).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyriarchy

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    As a feminist, i wasn’t being dismissive of feminism. i was referring to the propaganda used to push apolitical disenfranchised straight white men further to the right by creating a “radical” boogie monster version of feminism that made it feel anti male and not about equality.

    a similar thing happened with the whole “misogynistic bernie bro” smearing during the dem primary.

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