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[–] 39 points 7 months ago (4 children)

The simplest explanation is that the US in not an ally of Ukraine (or Europe).

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  • [+] 10 points 7 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago*

    I'm not so sure the US was a proper ally of Europe (there has long been overt talk in the US about Europe as a competitor and a lot of effort from US sources to try and weaken the EU with for example funding campaigning for Brexit) but I do believe that before Trump the US was an ally of Ukraine.

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  • [–] -4 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Also because it's obvious and saying it only fans more flames for WWIII. We're having a hard enough time preventing it with Israel actively trying to derail any attempts at peace. It took long enough to get Trump even pushing in that direction. It will take a miracle for him to not get distracted. The last thing we need is to make this an open contest between world powers and double down on this mess.

    But Zelenski doesn't care. He'll fan whatever flames if it help him with his conflict. This is the problem with having all these proxy countries associated with you. They don't always have your exact same strategic priorities or alignment with your goals. Our goal should be to get the US out of war. And both of these countries (Ukraine and Israel) want us in.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago*

    Our goal should be to get the US out of war.

    The current war of aggression against Iran, sure. But not avoiding war unconditionally, no. The US could, for example, stay out of war by selling out Ukraine and rewarding Russian imperialism. But that would mean creating a precedent that the US capitulates and sells out its allies anytime someone else rattles their sabre. That's a path that doesn't lead to peace. It leads to servitude, and to rewarding whoever's the most flagrant warmonger.

    But Zelenski doesn’t care. He’ll fan whatever flames if it help him with his conflict.

    The desired end state of that conflict, for Ukraine, is Russians out of Ukraine and no more attacks against civilians and civilian infrastructure. At that point, no more conflict. But ending it now on unfacorable terms for Ukraine means we'll get a refugee crisis, the systematic destruction of Ukrainian national identity, massacres, and further Russian aggression as Putin turns his attention to the Baltics or Poland. Neither is a good choice. But one is far less bad than the other.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    Trump knows Russia is helping Iran, but there's nothing he can do to stop it.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Trump could absolutely stop it, if he wanted to. Just send a few hundred tomahawk missiles as military aid to Ukraine. Then tell Russia that if Russia does not stop, the US will send more.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Yes, but Putin might do more to help Iran.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

    Like what? Putin needs his missiles himself.

    And remember that the US, is way, way more militarily powerful than Russia. The US has tons of spare military capacity, unlike Russia. Russia would lose an escalation war, and Russia knows it.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Russia is much closer to Iran than the US which means it can move troops and equipment into Iran quickly.

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    [–] 8 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    I have seen this topic before and I don't understand what the importance of the issue is. Isn't the USA sharing intelligence with Ukraine? I suppose that Russia sharing information with Iran is what is expected in the situation and what could anyone do to prevent it?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    You're thinking morality when he's talking strategy.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I still don't understand the importance, what change in strategy should the United States make knowing this? does they need to confirm it? Because for me it is obvious that Russia shares information with Iran, it was obvious that it was going to happen before starting the war and there is nothing at any level that the USA can do beyond saying, oh boy, what bad luck is mine

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    what could anyone do to prevent it?

    Just send a few hundred tomahawk missiles as military aid to Ukraine. Then tell Russia that if Russia does not stop, the US will send more.

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    The US is already sending a large amount of military material to Ukraine and if it sent something more forceful to pressure Russia, what Russia would do is send long-range missiles to Iran and then what? Do you keep climbing waiting for someone to do the chicken before you get to the nuclear thing?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The US is already sending a large amount of military material to Ukraine

    No it isn't. Trump stopped all new aid.

    Only what Europe paid for is being sent.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago

    and? What does that change? It does not invalidate my previous point at all, there is already American material on the ground and American aid to Ukraine (it does not matter who pays for it in this case), it is normal for Russia to do the same with Iran (help that you also do not know if Iran pays like Ukraine does) and increasing it will only make Russia increase its aid to Iran, what do you gain from that and where do you set the limit?

    On the original issue of the shipment, the US recognizing that Russia provides intelligence support to Iran is not going to change anything or benefit anyone in any way. Apart from the fact that if the US does/did it with Ukraine, with what argument are they going to even ask Russia to stop doing it?

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Shouldnt he be happy that Iran is taking Russian resources away from the war?

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  • [–] 49 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Trump's war in Iran diverted weapons away from Ukraine (which were already bought and paid for by Europe), to be used in Iran. It also increased the global price of oil and gas, which benefits Russia because they can now sell their oil at that higher price.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I think it's more like a boss / employee relationship.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago*

    Again, the orange-faced bastard is but a running dog for the Kremlin, and sure it's an open secret on the streets of Kyiv.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    No, Putin is sitting on a large pile of "pee tapes" and US dances when it's told to.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    The commander-in-chief lives in his little bubble with his dementia and his narcissism.

    Therefore he can then be manipulated by his supposed minions who have bigger plans to either enrich themselves or launch nukes.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    "Trusts" -> "Is owned by."

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  • [–] -4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I think it's more complicated than that. No one in the world besides Ukraine wants to see a Russian/US war..

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Even if acknowledged, the US is not going to go to war with Russia. The US could sanction Russia, though.

    Or kinetic sanctions - resume aid to Ukraine. Just give more stuff for Ukraine to shoot into Russia. Let Russia learn its lesson real fast.

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  • [+] -20 points 7 months ago

    Zelensky trying hard to get some attention back. Fuck him for supporting Israel.

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  • [+] -13 points 7 months ago*

    Israeli asset Zelensky says what?

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