So they're saying removing distractions improves focus? Woah dude, spoiler warning!
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I am shocked they allowed them in school tbh. They were not allowed at school for millennials. Granted phones were new but all the flip phones and such were not allowed at schools.
As a 1998 French Zoomer, they were never allowed in class, and only allowed at recess in high school.
At my middle school, we also banned smartphones throughout the whole building. You were meant to either leave yours at home or put it in your locker when you got there. It's a lot easier to chat with people during the breaks when they're not face-down in their phone screen.
Have the iPads and laptops not been collected?
They were always collected when not in use. We don't get personal devices, we either go to the computer room, where every screen can be seen by the teacher at once a la panopticon, or we get a trolley full of laptops that we hand in at the end of the lesson. You can also BYOD that isn't a smartphone, so long as you don't use it during lesson time when the teacher doesn't permit it.
How were they ever allowed?
I was in school from the transition from no mobiles at all to smart phones. If you got caught with one it was whipped off you.
At my school, they only cared if you used it, and you'd be forced to put it away if caught. A lot of my friends had phones, but they weren't allowed to use them in class, and it was treated like any other gadget like a gameboy.
I don't believe in bans (kids can use them between classes), but I also believe kids shouldn't use any devices in class.
What next?
The "study" is that they asked teachers, "Hey, how's it been going?" and the teachers answered, "I feel like my students are paying attention more now."
Polling professionals and experts on their opinions is perfectly reasonable to publish as a preliminary study on a subject
Sure, but it is not a study general public, like us on lemmy, should care about. It needs a follow up before making decisions.
Yet you can already see people calling for phone bans...
Who better to poll than teachers for this type of study? They are the ones in the trenches and can gauge the results.
You shouldn't poll anyone, instead look at test results. If there is better focus, it'll improve learning outcomes like test scores, graduation rates, and reduces instances of cheating. IMO, if we poll anyone, it should be parents about how much assistance they give their kids (i.e. are they filling in the gaps in their education less?).
It's nice that teachers think kids are paying more attention, but that only matters if kids are learning more.
That's another type of study that is also worthwhile. But the effects of distracted students on teachers and the classroom as a whole is also relevant.
Yes, but there's a huge degree of bias whenever you ask people anything. Obviously teachers are going to think phones are detrimental to class focus, and thus they're more likely to say their ban helped with that same focus
Same thing If you asked students, but reversed
Sure, I just don't trust results from subjective studies, unless it's tracking trends over time. So maybe if they had opinion polls like this before smartphones were a thing in classrooms, while smartphones were a thing, and after they were banned I'd trust the results somewhat. But if we're just tracking an after-the-fact poll, it just feels like confirmation bias. I believe teachers have an incentive to overstate the impact of policies that give them more control, because they want to encourage more such policies, even if they aren't effective at achieving tangible results.
So yeah, I distrust this type of study. I don't think it's necessarily worthless, I just don't think many conclusions can be taken from it.
You can conclude that teachers experience a better classroom environment. There was also 1/3 that did observe academic improvement.
E: Also, a teachers subjective experience is still an objective result if you are considering the qol aspect of the policy.
I mostly care about longer term impacts. The ban has only been in place for a year and a half, so it's really not much to go on.
Short term and long term impacts are both worthy of study, surely.
Yeah, like, if you're just gonna ask someone, they'd be the ones to ask.
Yeah, except science does not work like that. 😐
Yes, it does. A subjective response can absolutely be an objective result.
This is not a demonstration and this does not qualify as a scientific proof. 🤷
They polled teachers. It ir like I polled religious and conclude that God exists because God speaks to most of the people I polled. This is not science, sorry not sorry.
With nothing else but the blank walls and the cruel clock now students have nowhere else to turn to to pass the time but listening to teacher blab his time-filling spiel. If they're very lucky, the students might learn a single thing that matters before days end, but of course that remains exceedingly unlikely.
Not exactly shocking, I guess.
I mean they could've asked me, I would've said the same result. No need to perform a study or nothing. And I would've only charged half, I bet.
It's funny how everybody these days thinks they have ADHD because the phones their glued to trained them to have no attention span. Definatley not good for youngsters to have constant access to them! Not good for adults either!!!
But is focus the end goal? Im of belief that smartphones and computers in general in inseparable part of our contemporary existence and instead of prohibition some alternative methods would be much more effective like special software restrictions etc.
Focus is the end goal in the classroom, otherwise why bother going? They are not prohibited from using smartphones in their life, only in class.
Honestly what 'software restrictions'? You were a kid, I was too, most of us were. What's the first thing you do when you're told you can't do something? You find a way around it.
what did you learn in school today little Timmy?
i learned to drop tables tunnel into a VPN so I could watch Reels in class
The article clearly says this is ban is beyond just classes.
There's much more to schools than just focus in classes.
There’s much more to schools than just focus in classes.
Like in person socialization and relationship building?
And a computer makes that harder or easier? I'm not convinced.
When everyone is looking at their phones, they aren't engaging with each other.
Not convinced by this argument and surely there would still better way to address this.
The article does not say that.
This article states That
National guidelines, introduced in January 2024, recommend banning smartphones from classrooms
There is a quote that seems to reference students not having their phones between classes, though it is not said whether they are prohibited or do not have access to them.
in the breaks between the lessons, students would be on their phones and now they’re forced to talk …
Yeah because we all know how restricting people's access works...it doesn't
Remove the distraction, you're there to learn.
But we know for a fact that prohibition is a weak tool that almost never works. So whats your point?
Your argument premise is flawed as phone is beyond "just a distraction". Why not remove all other students and chairs and windows - they're all distractions!
I'm not sure why I even bother commenting here on lemmy when people are so small minded and can't contribute to discussions without taking the most reductionist view. We're not deciding policy here but just discussion what should be an interesting and engaging topic.
You can't compare prohibition in a broad context to restrictive usage.
You can't drive a vehicle in the sidewalk either, doesn't mean you're forbidden to have a car.
Have your phone - download TikTok, Canva, Wikipedia, WhatsApp, go nuts... Outside of a classroom.
Excessive device use has been demonstrated to be highly detrimental to adults. The recommendation is no more than one hour a day.
In a world where no one listens to that advice and actively acts against it, children can only benefit from 8 hours a day where they are not allowed access and must instead be social humans for a while.
Source because thats reeks of Bible belt house mom science lmao
Its just a computer. If you don't have temperance to handle it then that can be taught to 90% of people.
How are you going to teach that to the kids glued to their phone when the parents refuse to restrict it outside of school
What a poor defeatist attitude.
It's not defeatist; I'm saying we can fix it by banning phones in school
and I'm saying that we can fix it in better ways. What now?
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7366948/
This should start you off.
Did you at least read the abstract lmao
Emerging scientific evidence indicates that frequent digital technology use has a significant impact—both negative and positive—on brain function and behavior. Potential harmful effects of extensive screen time and technology use include heightened attention-deficit symptoms, impaired emotional and social intelligence, technology addiction, social isolation, impaired brain development, and disrupted sleep. However, various apps, videogames, and other online tools may benefit brain health. Functional imaging scans show that internet-naive older adults who learn to search online show significant increases in brain neural activity during simulated internet searches. Certain computer programs and videogames may improve memory, multitasking skills, fluid intelligence, and other cognitive abilities. Some apps and digital tools offer mental health interventions providing self-management, monitoring, skills training, and other interventions that may improve mood and behavior. Additional research on the positive and negative brain health effects of technology is needed to elucidate mecha
Conclusions
Research on the brain-health consequences of digital technology is beginning to elucidate how these novel devices and programs can both help and harm brain function. Their frequent use heightens ADHD symptoms, interferes with emotional and social intelligence, can lead to addictive behaviors, increases social isolation, and interferes with brain development and sleep. However, specific programs, videogames, and other online tools may provide mental exercises that activate neural circuitry, improve cognitive functioning, reduce anxiety, increase restful sleep, and offer other brain-health benefits. Future research needs to elucidate underlying mechanisms and causal relationships between technology use and brain health, with a focus on both the positive and negative impact of digital technology use.
You should have actually tried reading it.
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