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holy shit COVID never ended??? (www.youtube.com)
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[–] 21 points 7 months ago*

Friend if mine was like "I've been sick for weeks and I can't fucking taste anything!" And I was like, yeah that's called COVID bro lol

He was one of the non-believers so I find it cathartic

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    [–] 13 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    It can be generally said that many (most) viruses evolve to be non-lethal, as lethality reduces their ability to successfully reproduce and thrive. This was the most probable outcome, although epidemiologists warned that "most" doesn't mean all. Mutations are not predictable. Some viruses are horribly lethal.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Number 5 killer in 2025, and that's 5 years after killing off the most vulnerable.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago*

    Where did you get that info? Source? It was already not even in the top 10 in 2024. Is your claim that it magically jumped to #5 in 2025, when the numbers for 2025 are not officially even out yet?

    You would think if that were true, it would be making world headlines.

    "Covid-19 fell out of the top 10 causes of death in the United States in 2024, according to new data released Wednesday, and the estimated overall mortality rate declined to its lowest level since 2020."

    https://www.statnews.com/2025/09/10/leading-cause-death-heart-disease-cancer-suicide/

    Data Source:

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago* (5 children)

    Yeah the problem is they mutate in either direction, the "evolve to be non-lethal" part is essentially just natural selection doing its thing after the fact. But from time to time endemic viruses may just become way more lethal, as can be seen with the Spanish Flu in 1918-1920 and the Manchurian Plague in 1910-1911 (the latter having a death rate of close to 100% and being the reason face masks are widely used today). And while that could be controlled back then, it would be much harder today, given all the global traffic.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    But from time to time endemic viruses may just become way more lethal, as can be seen with the Spanish Flu in 1918-1920 and the Manchurian Plague in 1910-1911

    That's not correct. The influenza pandemic was not a new strain of influenza, it was a strain introduced to a naive population of soldiers taken from remote farm areas worldwide and concentrated into one small region of Europe. Then, the soldiers left the war and spread flu all across the remote areas of the US. The flu pandemics are more about naive populations. Same thing happened when Europeans first came to North America and wiped out indigenous populations with influenza.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    Then, the soldiers left the war and spread flu all across the remote areas of the US.

    Nah you are missing the point here. There was an already bad influenza strain, and millions of soldiers moving home on densely populated ships for weeks was a perfect environment for it to rapidly mutate and select for virulence and lethality. These soldiers making landfall then spread several strains of the virus, which led to vastly different mortality rates across the US. Much like we saw with Corona viruses rapidly mutating into different strains among the lockdowns.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    It as only a "bad" strain because there was a massively immunologically naive population exposed to it.

    Again, when Europeans brought over flu, it was minor to them, but killed off the natives. Similarly, native American and Inuit populations were killed at much higher rates in 1918. The Spanish Flu was not some kind of super flu, it was a typical influenza but there was a coincidental world war to spread it around from the US to Europe and back, likely from large US pig farms.

    You can read about this here, or not.

    https://www.kumc.edu/school-of-medicine/academics/departments/history-and-philosophy-of-medicine/archives/wwi/essays/medicine/influenza.html

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    It as only a “bad” strain because there was a massively immunologically naive population exposed to it.

    Yeah no it don't think it was, maybe "strain" was the wrong word here. Death rates in Europe were also much higher than usual, so there was definitely some major mutation going on. Naive populations will certainly have played a part, but I still think the virus gaining a captive host population to mutate in for several generations on each of those troop transporters, before those incubated populations were then spread all over the country, had an effect on it being more deadly in America than it was in Europe. I mean even the article you linked seems to suggest as much:

    Military transport ships were the likely vector of influenza which was well-established around the world by August of 1918. As the pandemic grew and matured its virulence apparently increased. Mortality rates on the eastern coast of America climbed in newspaper reports, the epidemic seeming to emanate from military bases there. Thus, what had been called the “three day flu” at Camp Funston in March, with a mortality rate of perhaps two-percent, evolved into a much more severe illness in India where mortality rates in some places may have reached ten-percent.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Very true. Additioally, younger people had not been affected by any major outbreak. There were documented cases that older people, who had survived different previous outbreaks from were not hit as badly in the Spanish flu due to ore-existing natural immunity.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22148/table/a2000c209ttt00007/?report=objectonly

    If interested this is a good read. Interesting bit:

    "The New York City data also demonstrate that mortality among people aged 45 and older during the 1918–1919 pandemic influenza season was no worse than in surrounding years. For people under age 45, however, the 1918–1919 influenza season was very bad—people in this age group were far more likely to die of influenza than in previous years. Indeed, the age groups at highest absolute risk of dying during the 1918–1919 A(H1N1) pandemic were young children and young and middle-aged adults (Table 1-6).

    These findings suggest that the early 1918 pandemic herald wave was spreading as early as February 1918, 6–7 months before the beginning of the explosive 1918–1919 pandemic. Relative to preceding influenza epidemic seasons, both the herald and pandemic waves caused proportionally more mortality in younger age groups but less mortality among those over 45 years of age, possibly as the result of recycling of an H1-like antigen from half a century earlier (Olson et al., 2004). "

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22148/#a2000c209rrr00209

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    • [+] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)
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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    It all would come to focusing on age groups. For most young people, say under 40, if you were healthy you are at essentially no risk. If you were over 80, or even over 65 with 2-3 cobormidities then yeah, it was a big concern.

    Issue that I have is that most data sets use Relative Risk Reduction over Absolute Risk Reduction which would give a better picture.

    This was the percentage of risk out of death, as per the break down of actual cases @ June 2020 from 13 different countries, so 6-7 months before the shot were avaiable for different age groups. Not all countries locked down like the USA or Canada did.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0013935120307854

    Would like to see it compared to today, true.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 7 months ago

    i mean for every infection a person loses literal braincells and loses some of their total lifespan for the infected organ- like ten years or something from being sick three days.

    source: Lola Germs, the researcher publishing to youtube mentioned in the video.

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    • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Good video. Sad as hell though. I think COVID will be with us forever at this point.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    Sad as hell though

    Sad as hell was the disaster caused by politicizing the vaccine. The deaths that could have been avoided mostly in '21/22. By now most people are vaccinated and not very much affected, and the virus has mutated towards less dangerous.*

    And yes, it'll be with us forever just like the common cold. Eradicating it was never the plan.

    * sorry I should've watched the video first. Of course it's about the USA, things are probably worse there. Around here also Long Covid is being studied and medication is available.

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    • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    still take the vaccine once a year 👌🏻

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    Unfortunately the latest COVID strain evades vaccines. I've had a COVID shot every year since it was available and I caught COVID for the first time (to my knowledge) while traveling 2 weeks ago. I even wore masks, although I was lax about it and didn't wear a mask in every public place. Still, yes, absolutely keep being vaccinated. But you could still catch it.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Well, yeah, the Covid vaccines do not stop you from getting Covid. Thought this was well stablished back in 2021. In that regard, nothing has changed.

    The media and by proxy people blamed it on the unvaccinated. The fact is that the Covid shots do not elicit a strong and in most people even barely measurable IgA antibody response. Only an IgG, that is what the product does, hence the claim that it will lower side effects when you do catch it, which is what you heard in the news. In the case of Covid, a strong IgA response would grant sterlizing immunity, when was the last time you even heard that term used in the media after all these years? There is a reason, because it doesn't.

    And even if the vaccinated person gets a small response of IgA, it will be start dropping after about 2 weeks, so you will catch it then. Only short fix is ro get another shot. Up here in Canada, back then, they were telling high risk patients to think about getting another shot every 60-90 days.

    You will always catch Covid if it is around, whether the people around you are vaccinated or unvaccinated. Sorry to say but this claim that this strain gets around the shot was nonsense even back then. Vaccinated people were always going to catch Covid. Symptoms should be lessen though. Pfizer, Moderna, Aztra Seneca et al, never actually claimed their products would provde sterilizing immunity in their legalese, only lessen symptoms.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    The Covid 19 vaccines are twice a year.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Depends on where you live, because science is different depending on geography apparently.

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    • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Correct.

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    [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Is t that basically the trajectory of most colds/flus? They end up mutating to the point they gimp themselves for most people? For some they still fuck people up, but for most it lessens over time.

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    • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I might have it right now (⁠╥⁠﹏⁠╥⁠)

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    • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    We're so thoroughly vaccinated that we aren't even encouraged to test for it anymore. So I don't even know if I have a regular flu or Covid. I think I can feel a difference though.

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