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[–] 19 points 7 months ago

Country that still has slaves votes against condemning slavery

shocked-pikachu

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I hope in day black folks in the US get reparations.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago

    As a Canadian, I'm disappointed our government abstained.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (18 children)

    The statement wasn't about "condemning slavery", it was "Declaration of the Trafficking of Enslaved Africans and Racialized Chattel Enslavement of Africans as the Gravest Crime Against Humanity".

    The EU voted against it because:

    "First, the use of superlatives in the context of crimes against humanity is not legally accurate, such as the use of "gravest" in the title and throughout the text, which implies a hierarchy among atrocity crimes, when no legal hierarchy between crimes against humanity exists. It risks undermining the harm suffered by all victims of these crimes and lacks legal clarity crucial for ensuring accountability. We firmly reject introducing ambiguity in this respect."

    "Second, the selective inclusion of lengthy, historical, and contentious references to regional jurisprudence and selective and unbalanced interpretation of historical events - such as in Preambular Paragraphs 21 and 23 - is at odds with accepted UN practice, as well as the stated universal and forward looking objective of this initiative. It risks creating divisions when unity is both necessary and achievable. The role of the General Assembly is not to substitute itself to the academic debate amongst historians."

    "Third, we are also concerned by certain legal references and assertions that are either inaccurate or inconsistent with international law. This includes suggestions of a retroactive application of international rules which was non-existent at the time and claims for reparations, which is incompatible with established principles of international law. The principle of non-retroactivity, a fundamental cornerstone of the international legal order, must be strictly upheld. References to claims for reparations also lack a sound legal basis. Any framework for reparatory justice must be grounded in existing multilateral instruments. "

    https://www.eeas.europa.eu/delegations/un-new-york/eu-explanation-vote-%E2%80%93-un-general-assembly-action-a80l48-declaration-trafficking-enslaved-africans_en?s=63

    Pretending that not voting "yes" was refusing to condemn slavery is extremely disingenuous.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 7 months ago*

    These are all incredibly weak justifications wrapped in legalese, that's really just a thin posturing as to their position, which is white/western supremacy, and refusing to hold themselves accountable for hundreds of years of ongoing theft. The EU also refuses to vote for the condemnation of nazism using the same type of legalistic justifications.

    I don't have time to go through each of their sentences, but someone easily could ala the style of Marx's critique of the gotha programme, because there's hidden meanings and psychology behind almost every sentence that requires a paragraph.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago*

    Classic European rules lawyering to smugly dip out of doing something they never wanted to do anyway. They could have written the resolution themselves, to their exact specifications, and they would still find a convenient technical reason to avoid making any kind of stand against imperialism, past or present.

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Slavers will always make excuses for not condemning slavery.

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    All of a sudden, Europe now cares about international law?

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  • [+] -25 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Europe is the only place that does care about international law.

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago*

    Exaclty thats why we condemn Iran for defending itself, and for being attacked. Also of course the actions of Israel are only problematic, we have to watch the genocide from afar, then decide if it was just. Ah the shamelessness. Meanwhile lets host as many of their war criminals as possible.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Sounds to me like the EU is just saying "all lives matter" in legal jargon. Tripping over pedantics because they don't want to be seen as responsible for their predecessors actions even though they hold plenty of southern hemisphere countries regularly responsible for actions not committed by their current govt.

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  • [+] -12 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    "Black Lives Matter" is a movement that has traction because right now black people are being killed by cops. "All Lives Matter" is insensitive because it's ignoring the urgent problem that's affecting black people now. The trans-Atlantic slave trade ended centuries ago. There's no urgency to address something that has been over for that long.

    You might see what they're doing as being pedantic, but I think you can acknowledge that the enslavement of Africans was a terrible crime against humanity without requiring a competition to see which atrocity gets the #1 spot. There's nothing about what the EU said that comes close to saying they don't want to take responsibility for what their ancestors did (although having said that, it's ridiculous to ask that someone ever take responsibility for something their ancestors did).

    You can "whattabout" this all you want, but that doesn't mean that the declaration was a good one. It was a shitty one and shouldn't have been put forward at all.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago

    The consequences of the slave trade still carry over today, and factor into neocolonialism and imperialism committed by the collective west right now. It isn't just "something bad their ancestors did," it's a generational crime with generational consequences that shape much of how the world works to this very day. Reparations are necessary.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    If only they actually meant that. Seems they forgot that they use nothing but superlatives when it comes to crimes they now politicially benefit from, like holocaust. Should I provide quotes? But yes Afd makes the same argument for holocaust, go figure.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    West refuses

    The hell it did. My country refused nothing.

    Mexico? Panama? Belize? Guatemala? Brasil? Peru?

    Just keep naming countries. Aside from two among like 30, the "West" condemned slavery; because of course.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 7 months ago

    "The western world" in politics doesn't usually refer to geography, but to the high income euro-amerikkkan countries who benefitted from hundreds of years of theft (much from the countries you mentioned), who based themselves on individualism, private property, and capitalism, and prided themselves on their opposition to the collectivist policies of eastern countries.

    This is why Cuba for example is not considered part of the western world, yet japan and south korea are.

    Marxists also generally use the term "global south" or "the periphery" to refer to lower-income / exploited via unequal exchange, even though there are some "middle" / lower income countries in the global north also. It gets confusing I know.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (4 children)

    Calling something the “gravest crime” seems kind of strange. So genocide is better? Mass rape? Why compare?

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  • [–] 22 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    The Transatlantic slave trade lasted for centuries and included both genocide and rape and way more

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    I don't understand the goal of making a superlative statement. Any government not run by ghouls would condemn slavery.
    Inbe4 " my least favorite government would totally not condemn slavery as a concept lolololol"

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  • [+] -15 points 7 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 22 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Slavery has not been abolished in the USA, so why would they condemn it?

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    You could certainly argue that debt slavery makes anyone who isn’t a capitalist a slave, but I mean:

    except as a punishment for crime

    Slavery, even outside of debt slavery, continues to exist in the USA. amerikkka

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago

    Idk, i think it should have reparations, like, if for hundreds of years, robbing, killing, enforcing servitude of tens of millions of people for the enrichment of a few countries should make these countries pay. It gave these countries the backbone to todays "welfare states", the industrial revolution was kickstarted on the cotton and sugar fields that these enslaved people worked, etc, etc, etc.

    I don't care about the legality, the wording, the whatever, it seems pretty clear to me that this should happen, and them giving this response shows that basically they don't care and never cared.

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