I'm a hobbyist with a half dozen or so builds and dozens of accessories under my belt. All of which I've been able to do thanks to the giants in this community who share their files and make this all so easy.

My question is twofold, and is born out of ignorance of the requirements of machined metal parts, as well as the capabilities of CNC machines.

If you had a simple desktop CNC machine, like a Carvera or whatever would be the Ender3 equivalent, how much of an AR15 build, for example, could you go? I remember seeing some chatter about people subtracting lower receivers using machines like this, but could you go farther and make a BCG, a barrel, a buffer tube, or any of the components of the FCG?

What about for builds like a Mac 11? It seems like the parts kits sellers are machining those themselves.

And for a glock, it seems like the rails you could make very quickly, but could you make a barrel or a slide?

Lastly, aside from the mechanical capabilities of the machine, theres the question of access for people like me who currently have no confidence in designing files safe for use. I haven't seen any CNC ready files in my browsing on the Index, which I take is due to the rarity of CNC machines amongst the community. Would it be safe to assume that once word gets out in the community that there's a sub $1,000 CNC machine that lets you go farther on your builds than just a 3DP, that we'd see a proliferation of CNC ready files?

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[–] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (9 children)

Edit: I sincerely hope that you are right and cheap CNCs will take off in this community, this is exactly what I am working for.

I have a post from a few days ago about a desktop CNC. I am making a slide in stainless.

To me the biggest project impact a desktop CNC can have in this community right now is making super safety’s. It’s stupid easy and we should all be showing Rare Greed where they can shove their legal actions.

Much of the metal parts for various projects can be made with a few minor upgrades to the basic desktop CNC design. Make sure you have linear rails and a good spindle at least. You will need at least a small machinist square and a dial indicator for critical part measurements and making sure your machine is trammed and square.

My next project will address the shortcomings of desktop cnc routers for exactly the problems with making AR barrels, barrel extensions, and bcgs.

I will continue to post about the slide project, probably in the builds channel. I have tested all my tooling (face milling, side milling, and t slot milling) and the machine for the features that need to be cut. right now I’m finishing up squaring my stock and will move on to roughing.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Also, RE: CNC ready/safe files.

    CNC is only a little different than 3D printing in this regard. A step file for a cube that can be 3D printed can also be used to generate gcode to cut that cube out of any piece of material.

    but you have to generate your CNC gcode based on the shape of the material you are going to cut it out of, so there is no one-size-fits-all gcode file for making the same part from any block of any material. But this is analogous to not being able to take gcode from one printer and one material and run it on a different printer with a different material.

    As long as you can cut a feature with a standard tool/bit/endmill, your only issue is how to hold the material in the proper orientation for your machine to cut it. Creative work holding is what allows you to make more complex parts with a simple machine.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    That sounds a lot more intuitive to understand than some of your other posts I've read where you get into the weeds of drill sizes and what not.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Heh yeah been excitedly schizo-posting for sure. There’s a lot of info that’s hard to distill down to what actually matters. Like cura having a billion settings to change but a beginner only needing a handful.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Lol it wasn't a jab at you, but a statement on how the precise measurements of drill pieces for the CNC machine sounds like gobblygook to someone who hasn't entered that world, whereas your analogy makes it seem more accessible.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah the cost benefit analysis on a $1,000 CNC machine is pretty easy to see. My 3DP setup was less than that, and even if you take out all of the pews, I've probably broken even already on other stuff that I've printed that I would've otherwise bought on Amazon.

    My guess is that a $2,000 desktop mill is what it would take for people here to start playing around with it. The Carvera one I looked at fits the bill for desktop, fully enclosed, clean, easy to use, but it's sitting around $5,000. I think you'd have to have some need or interest beyond pews to buy something like that, or enough hate of Rare Greed or love of the 2A to go all in just for that.

    If I had a CNC mill, was a bit of an artist, and had enough design skills, I'd dissect every Gucci AR, figure out why their machining justifies such a high price point, and throw all of those features together. Then I'd release the file as "the $1,000 lower receiver" on the index, so that everyone could feel like they'd broken even on their first project.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    I've been looking at the Makera Z1 at, what, $1200 MSRP?

    But MetallicFOSS' thread with the AnoleX is looking really interesting for half that. Yeah, I'd probably need to DIY an enclosure and some sort of vacuum system to gobble up dust and shavings, and I'd probably want some sort of hose dispensing cutting oil, but $600 ($550 on Amazon right now) is edging dangerously close to "it's worth taking a chance on this." That's basically what I spent on my printer alone.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Oh shit. That's the one. It shows up as $979 for me, with delivery in April. The video mentioned an optional dust collector, but I didn't see that anywhere.

    At that price point I'm gonna YOLO into it.

    I gotta figure out normal things I'd want to use it for. I don't have a lot of need for metal stuff.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Yeah, the Z1 is cheaper than MSRP right now because it's not technically released yet. Initial reviews seem positive, but those are surely using specially curated demo units, so quality in release units isn't proven yet. It's gonna go up to ~$1200 on full release, sort of like how the Snapmaker U1 printer was like $850 on kickstarter with a MSRP of $999.

    I like how it bills itself as easy to use. Kind of feels like they're selling it as the Bambu of CNC mills. That would be huge if it works like that.

    But yeah, being able to make anything you'd otherwise have to buy from SCS seems nice. Especially because while SCS doesn't care what they cut now as long as it's legal, there's no guarantee that will remain so in the future. And it's not like CNC mills can only do metal. They can do plastic and wood too. Obviously most plastics you'd still print, but I could see something like plastic paneling/sheeting being way quicker on a CNC mill than trying to print a bunch of square flat layers

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