It has also occluded something deeper: the human decisions that led to the killing of between 175 and 180 people, most of them girls between the ages of seven and 12.

Someone decided to compress the kill chain.

Someone decided that deliberation was latency.

Someone decided to build a system that produces 1,000 targeting decisions an hour and call them high-quality.

Someone decided to start this war. Several hundred people are sitting on Capitol Hill, refusing to stop it.

Calling it an “AI problem” gives those decisions, and those people, a place to hide.

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[–] 69 points 7 months ago*

I can only recommend this article - it goes through what happened in history towards everything that happened to the targeting of that school - mainly speeding up the process from target identification to strike, and the cutting out of humans of the decisionmaking process, powered by Peter Thiel's Palantir, and the replacement of the question if this was a war crime by the discussion of the completely unrelated Claude LLM.

It has also occluded something deeper: the human decisions that led to the killing of between 175 and 180 people, most of them girls between the ages of seven and 12. Someone decided to compress the kill chain. Someone decided that deliberation was latency. Someone decided to build a system that produces 1,000 targeting decisions an hour and call them high-quality. Someone decided to start this war. Several hundred people are sitting on Capitol Hill, refusing to stop it. Calling it an “AI problem” gives those decisions, and those people, a place to hide.

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  • [–] 38 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Wasn't me, it was the tool i used.

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  • [–] 37 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    AI can't be responsible because it doesn't make decisions or think like the slop propaganda anthropomorphizing it would trick you into believing. It's a guessing machine, predicting the next tokens. Whoever made the call to pull the trigger or hand that control to an autonomous device holds the blame.

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Palantir is evil af. We are getting very close to our extinction. Only if people could just chill out and not need to control and kill everyone and rape and murder, we’d be so much better. Humanity is diseased.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    We are getting very close to our extinction

    We aren't going extinct. What will happen is billions of deaths and everyone on earth suffering greatly. Extinction is a naive fear compared to the real horrors in our future.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago

    ... they've hit more schools since the first one. These monsters don't even bother with believable lies.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago

    No your honor, I didn't shoot that guy, the gun did it

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The wildest thing about this is using Palantir to make targeting decisions and then automating the destruction from the sky. Wasn't this the plot of Captain America: The Winter Soldier?

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago

    Yes. it was. Funnily enough, of all the Marvel crap they produced, the Captain America movies really held up well, and actually were expressing that automating a kill chain is something only evil people would do. Sadly, that was very true, although the kill potential isn't there yet.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago*

    PUT THE TRUTHIN THE HEADLINE THEN

    Instead, it was choices made by human beings, over many years, that gave us this atrocity.

    The targeting for Operation Epic Fury ran on a system called Maven. Nobody was arguing about Maven.

    Eight years ago, Maven was the most contested project in Silicon Valley. In 2018, more than 4,000 Google employees signed a letter opposing the company’s contract to build artificial intelligence for the Pentagon’s targeting systems. Workers organised a walk out. Engineers quit. And Google ultimately abandoned the contract. Palantir Technologies, a data analytics company and defence contractor co-founded by Peter Thiel, took it over and spent the next six years building Maven into a targeting infrastructure that pulls together satellite imagery, signals intelligence and sensor data to identify targets and carry them through every step from first detection to the order to strike.

    THE TRUTH IS FAR MORE WORRYING -- THE MILITARY ASKED FOR IT AND PETER THIEL BUILT IT.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    And yet you will never hear the 2A crowd chant the implied variant of their favorite mantra, "AI doesn't kill people; people kill people." 🙄

    The NDAs and TS/SCI labels are going to obfuscate the decision chain to the point that culpability won't be able to be established at all.

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    [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    All the people pushing that it was intentional, or that it was AI-ruling-the-decision, are pushing disinformation.

    This was obvious once it became evident that old-maps DID make that-building a proper military-target.

    & that realization was, iirc, about 1d or less after the actual bombing, on a story linked from lemmy.world ..

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