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UK insists Britain is safe from Iranian missiles as Israel accused of exaggerating threat

[–] AnchoriteMagus@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 5 points 7 months ago

I wonder what Starmer got in exchange for letting them use their bases.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

That would be an interesting development.

[–] Iconoclast@feddit.uk 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

Based on the information so far it seems that Iran does have the capability to reach the UK with their ballistic missiles but there's no clear indication that they're intending to do so. However, if they did the UK wouldn't have a great way of protecting itself from those strikes.

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[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

Netanyahu claims Iran has these missiles, but Iran disputes it. There's also no publicly verifiable evidence that this is true. UK intelligence also does not think Iran has such capabilities.

Besides, Iran has been only weeks away from nukes for 30 years, I'm sure they're only a couple miles off of hitting the UK as well /s.

Even then, I doubt Iran wants to trigger a UK military response to any missiles sent to the mainland.

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[–] Iconoclast@feddit.uk 3 points 7 months ago

I don't think either Netanyahu or the Iranian government are reliable sources of information, so what they say doesn't really tip the scales for me one way or the other. That said, the UK mainland is only about 600 km farther from Iran than Diego Garcia is - so if it really was them targeting that base, they probably figured it was within range.

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[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

I understand The Telegraph's uhh narrative-forming objectives but is this enough to get the mini Tommy Robinsons of the UK to support war in Iran? I feel like even those racist crayon-eaters understand an Iranian strike on the British Isles is extremely unlikely, to say the least.

[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 20 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

I am from the UK, and I am firmly siding with Iran as far as this war goes, despite the fact that their regime is brutal and oppressive. They had been complying with the nuclear deal signed under Obama's admin until Trump tore it up and have obviously been demonstrating remarkable restraint in the face of overwhelming aggression from US/Israeli imperialism for decades, and they had chosen diplomacy, time and time again, despite the US fucking them over, time and time again.

I hope they absolutely fucking CRUSH the entire fossil fuel industry, I hope oil prices hit $1,000 a barrel, I hope the entire US Imperial core and all countries aligned with them are brought to the fucking brink, I hope that this is the beginning of the end of the United States, Israel and the United Kingdom, sparks a series of regime change revolutions, and the beginning of a new, brighter future.

Fuck the Tories, fuck Labour. Fuck the Republicans, fuck the Democrats. They are all servants of the ruling class and the whole lot of them can swing as far as I care. The only hope for all of us is a social revolution. And I guess the Green Party in the UK, provide a little hope. But I doubt even they will be socialist enough.

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[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 9 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

despite the fact that their regime is brutal and oppressive

True of nearly all countries. For example in many Western countries you can be arrested, prosecuted, fined, jailed and lose your job for supporting Palestine or saying "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free". You may be living in such a country.

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[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 1 point 7 months ago

You are totally right about that. I believe in the abolition of all nations, all borders, all states, and all heirarchies of all kinds. Power corrupts, and thus power itself must be destroyed.

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[–] narwhal@mander.xyz 7 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

I think your stance on the war is a reasonable one, but

despite the fact that their regime is brutal and oppressive

How did you come to this understanding regarding iran?

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[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago

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[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social -3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I don't see how that would be a productive conversation to have right now - everyone knows what I'm talking about, and getting into the details would just distract from the fact that there are far more brutal, far more oppressive regimes doing far worse things, such as Israel and the United States. Once the Iran war has settled, I'd be more than happy to get into it, but for the time being, I am just going to lend them my critical support.

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[–] narwhal@mander.xyz 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

I think our perception of a country plays a huge role in whether confrontation happens or not, so some attention is not undeserved. I only asked because you chose to describe the country in this way, even though it was the party you were defending. So what was the purpose of it? Do you feel uncomfortable being associated with the iranian state outside of this very specific context of conflict?

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[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 2 points 7 months ago

I think our perception of a country plays a huge role in whether confrontation happens or not

To an extent, but our perception of a country is heavily influenced by western propaganda, and I do not want to push any of their talking points.

So what was the purpose of it?

Building consensus. The majority of users on this platform have been consuming western propaganda all of their lives, and are extremely hostile to perspectives which they see as oppositional. By framing my argument in that way, those people have a higher chance of perceiving me as being "on their team", and thus giving my argument the benefit of the doubt, rather than short-circuiting their brains into discarding my actual argument as enemy propaganda.

Do you feel uncomfortable being associated with the iranian state outside of this very specific context of conflict?

Broadly, yes, I feel uncomfortable being associated with any state, they generally all have their histories of atrocities and oppression, though some are worse than others. I'm a disabled gay anarchist. I'm sure you can figure out my reasons for feeling the way I do.

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[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 10 points 7 months ago

Don't talk shit then I guess