Trans X Pitbull solidarity

Cartoon guy with a trans flag (personification of the trans community) says: "Hey little man hows it goin?" While a pitbull dog stands next to him. In the next panel the pitbull responds: "Society abuses us and makes us fight. Then they say we shouldn't exist because we're aggressive...". The third panel has the trans cartoon guy in a stubned silence. In the fourth and last panel the trans cartoon man replies to the pitbull: "Yeah. We should burn it all down."

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[–] 51 points 8 months ago (1 child)

I don’t really know the answer here.

My family has a pit-bull, we’ve had her since she was a few months old. She has as far as I’m concerned been raised in a loving household by normal people. I would love to tell her she’s a great dog, and that she isn’t an outlier out of the many dogs we’ve had before.

But she is absolutely what I would describe as an “aggressive” dog, not most of the time, but she will probably on average once a week develop some sort of fit of rage (usually barking at the neighbors dog) and if you startle her or walk by her she will absolutely bite some part of you. It’s to the point where she has to be put in her cage whenever someone under the age of like 12 is at our house. (she basically never needs to go in her cage otherwise)

(i do really like this dog btw she’s generally alright though)

I have other experiences with pit-bulls as-well, in secondary/middle school a classmate of mine was attacked by their family dog to the point that they needed to be hospitalized. I happened to know them somewhat closely, and their dog was indeed, a pit-bull, and as far as i know, they were normal people.

Also I think the “this is like on the ethical level of eugenics for humans” is different because most dog breed differences are human creations, and many of the variations probably haven’t been developed with the best intentions. Not sure though.

I’d also like to restate that I don’t know the answer and I’m ultimately conflicted.

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  • [–] [M] 16 points 8 months ago*

    Locking the thread bc it's inviting far too much toxicity.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago

    Well obviously they "shouldnt" exist because the things that caused them to exist were bad, as described by the meme. Pretty self explanatory.

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  • [–] 35 points 8 months ago

    Pro pitbull people getting desperate lol

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago* (11 children)

    Theres so much pit bull hate even on the fediverse its insane. "They're genetically violent" oh so genetics is a fine argument as long as they're not human?

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  • [–] 34 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

    There are absolutely dogs that have genetic predispositions for all sorts of things. That's hardly debated, you almost never see a Chihuahua track down lost hikers and you don't see a Labrador chase down rats. It's a very basic bit of genetics that makes some dogs much more able to injure or kill a person than other dogs. A Yorkie won't put someone in the hospital, a Staffordshire will.

    And then people get involved. Shitty people will get dogs that have a dangerous reputation. The terrible people raise these dogs terribly, which creates a very poor safety record, which makes terrible people get more of them.

    It's a self reinforcing problem, caused by predisposition and shitty people taking "advantage" of it.

    Also, are you claiming there are no genetic differences in human? Because I don't think anyone would say that basketballers would be exactly as good at basketball if they were all 1.5m, or that Usain Bolt doesn't have genetic predispositions to being a good runner. Of course humans have genetic predispositions, it's stupid to claim otherwise.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago

    And then people get involved. Shitty people will get dogs that have a dangerous reputation. The terrible people raise these dogs terribly, which creates a very poor safety record, which makes terrible people get more of them. It’s a self reinforcing problem, caused by predisposition and shitty people taking “advantage” of it.

    The US's dog culture is disgusting.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    That's hardly debated

    Individuals having genetic predispositions isn't debated, but it being tied to breed is. It's especially less likely for breeds to play a role if they're more widespread; were the dog's parents and grandparents bred for dogfights, or just by people who wanted one? There are also no guarantees in genetics, with even genetically identical animals being capable of great variation. Using constructed and arbitrary categories like breed to tie behavior to looks is silly.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago

    Using constructed and arbitrary categories like breed to tie behavior to looks is silly.

    They are constructed and arbitrary but they are enforced by the selective breeding process itself no? That's like the whole point of selective breeding? To select and influence constructed and arbitrary traits in the genetic lineage? Unless the claim is that the concept of selective breeding itself is ineffective, which is definitely not a take I have heard before.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Apparently... Was not expecting the comment section to blow up here. I thought dog racism was mostly a tumblr/reddit thing.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    I tried to warn people that advertising the fediverse on Reddit will just make the fediverse more reddity, but nobody seemed to care. Getting a bunch of frat bros to join the philosophy club doesn’t mean you have a healthier philosophy club because it’s bigger, it means you spend most of your time debating if rape is bad and if there should be age of consent laws because your philosophy club is full of fucking frat bros. (This is an analogy, not a 1:1 comparison)

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    [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    pitbulls are incredibly human friendly. the caretaker has got a to be a real piece of shit to change that for any one of them.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Completely forgetting thier roots as homestead and nursery dogs, as in dogs you leave with your babies on a homeatead so that if they get attacked by wild animals the dog would die protecting your baby.

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    [–] 10 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Pitbulls are not evil, it's just most pitbull owners are evil.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 8 months ago

    Yup, dogs are a lot like people. People who love their dogs and take good care of them will have loving and sweet dogs. People who abuse and neglect their dogs will have scared, traumatized, and aggressive dogs. Same happens with people. It's not about their breed (or in the case of people, race) it's about how they were raised.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Please don't burn it all down

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Literally never encountered a mean Pitt. Plenty of other breeds though.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    It's all dependent on their development and how they were raised. Evil fucked up people abusing and neglecting their dogs causes those dogs to grow up scared, traumatized, and with behavioral problems.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I'm not saying pitts can't be violent. I'm saying my bad dog experiences have all been other breeds.

    And not every reactive dog is the owner's fault. The world is more complicated than that.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I know, I'm not saying you were saying that. Of course pitts can be violent. Most dogs who are reactive are reactive due to trauma.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I know. I had a reactive dog. Found him as a stray in terrible condition.

    He made it to 16 but he never fully lost that reactivity. I used to get all kinds of judgement from people saying things like you said.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 8 months ago

    Yeah people shouldn't assume that someone having a dog means they're the one who raised the dog since birth. Lots of people these days have been getting rescue dogs and some of those dogs have had hard lives, and had no role in the trauma that dog experienced.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago*

    Pits' temperament is no different than any other dog. What is different is the type of owner they appeal to. Every few years society decides one particular breed is the "dangerous dog", I've lived through german Shepard doberman and Rottweiler already

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