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[–] 38 points 8 months ago (1 child)

This was a problem decades before Trump took office, and the exact same problem will remain after he's gone.

Those corporations are "donating" (bribing) every election cycle for a reason, and it's not charity.

Each candidate has a billion dollars, win or lose... that we know of. Our reps and their entire families are millionaires. Bribery is blatant and legal.

See Super PACs and Citizens United for further details.

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  • [–] 107 points 8 months ago (56 children)

    Thank fuck I literally use none of those services.

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  • [–] 51 points 8 months ago (14 children)

    I wish WhatsApp wasn't the main form of communication in my area of the world.

    That's the only one I'm on and it's because I could not convince anyone around me to just use texts or download signal

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  • [–] 26 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Yes you should break yourself from all of the US and Israeli tech stack. They cannot be trusted.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago

    It's hard to get away from the hardware companies through. I'm all AMD because they're a little less evil, but they're in the same AI bubble and also currently doing little in terms of innovation since they already have the performance advantage

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  • [+] 4 points 8 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Neither do I, I only use it for sending and recieving messages. I don't think anyone uses the AI bullshit that was added to it.

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  • [+] 5 points 8 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    It was so much better when the search bar was just for contacts or chat messages instead of all the genuinely useless terms

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  • [+] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    The dumb thing is that Meta owns Instagram and WhatsApp, so if every one of their apps have these features what's the point of downloading more than one of them?

    EDIT: I misread telegram as Instagram lmao, but either way there's no point in using any of them

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    Because they were originally successful companies that weren't owned by meta, and meta couldn't have that so they bought them.

    Why this doesn't violate anti-trust laws is anybody's guess...

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    Somebody needs to jailbreak WhatsApp interoperability. Especially now that their 'encryption' has been demonstrated to be a farce.

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  • [–] 32 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    But everyone else does and they will be voting in the next election dragging you down with them.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I can't control other people, only myself. If they want to sleepwalk into lies and fake propaganda there is nothing I can do.

    Your point?

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

    The control of media and of communication by the wealthy is mainly a threat to society.

    It's not like eating junk food where you're only harming yourself.

    We're all threatened by people being ignorant and propagandized.

    Now, what you can do, there are many things. Talk to your neighbors, involve yourself in your community, get people to come on the Fediverse, demonstrate, etc.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I don’t either. Too bad 99.9% of the rest of the people do.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    ur still affected by how these influence the news cycle and general societal conversation

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Ok, and? Why is everyone up my ass because I'm happy I don't support these elites? Sure the rest of the sheep are grazing in the pasture. How is that my problem? It's not like I don't talk to those in my circle. I can lead a sheep to water but I can't make them drink.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    Right? It’s getting hard to talk to people nowadays because everyone seems brainwashed.

    But you can’t get them out of it. Asking people to not check those feeds every day is like asking them to go without water.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    It's embarrassing how dependant folks have become with technology and social media. I'm not immune myself, but I'll drop anything that goes against my values.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago*

    I keep trying to relate this to when we started mass-producing books. It must have been the same. We integrated that tech and got better.

    I am not personally a fan right now.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (22 children)

    Lol. Lmao even. You think shaping your habits will protect you. You can't personal responsibility your way out of this.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    If you can't solve the problem 100%, why even bother.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    I don't think that's the criticism, rather we fixing the problem at the wrong end of things. We can't fix society by stressing personal responsibility, we need a different tactic.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (16 children)

    It has little to do with protection and more to do with keeping a clean conscience. I won't support evil.

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  • [–] -4 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    The issue here isn't your about your conscious. The majority of people do use these and those people are being influenced.

    Your comment has a sort of fuck you I got mine vibe to it.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    No it's not, lol. If people stop using these platforms they will fail. Sounds to me like you're just justifying your continued support of these services and platforms. Defeatist loser mentality.

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  • [–] -4 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    You just assumed I use those platforms which makes you the fool here.

    You not supporting evil doesn't stop evil. To try for another approach here since you seem rather dense, evil prevails when good men do nothing.

    I'm sure you'll just attack that too becuase what's important here to you is your feelings. Doing something was never going to be an option for you

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (3 children)

    And what are you doing Mr. Holier-than-thou?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    Thank you for asking so nicely and with such curtesy and humility after graciously answer my questions.

    I actively encourage and warn others to not use these platforms. I also pirate all their shit and share it with those around me who struggle to shake their addiction to the content.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Cool, so the same shit I'm doing. No need to be smug about it.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Not the one being smug. That's you. I am not the one virtue signally. Literally what I pointed out you were doing. I'm not going to tell you to stop or not do it, because you do you. My thing is mocking it anytime I see it. In case it's not clear, I'm not claoming this makes me the better person.

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  • [–] -4 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    I mean, congrats? Kind of irrelevant to the discussion here, then.

    "Oligarchy becomes smaller and more powerful" - article

    "Good thing they don't get my money via direct means" - you

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Lol, short of going out and killing these bastards there isn't much else I can do other than to stop supporting these services. I have to hope if enough folks like me stop using these services they will fail. There is a point where it only takes one straw to break the camels back.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (6 children)

    That's basing your imagination that we're a meritocracy. There's meaning behind the saying "failing upwards". I don't know how to counteract it either, but their success comes from failure. Let alone the Island stuff.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    What are you even talking about? I didn't say shit about meritocracy or failing upwards. I'm talking about not supporting those services and platforms that support evil.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Right, and I'm trying to explain to you that it's not what they base their success on. I know you mean well, but we're not a meritocracy and they do fail upwards.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    No they're capitalists. They base their success off of money. No users or even less users, means less money.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Look at all the bad news coming out about Tesla and Musk all together, and his wealth increased from like 300bil to 700bil :/

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    His bubble will pop eventually too. He can't stay inflated forever. He's completely propped up by lies and schemes.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Wish I shared your optimism. Guy is a moron propped up by the US government who's on the Epstein Files and begged to party on the island on Xmas....which means he's about to become a trillionaire....well at least this was a good way to find out that my android autocorrect doesn't even have that word in the vocabulary.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    The only one mentioned here that i have is WhatsApp, but i barely use it

    Although i do still use some other nonfree Amerikkkan services. Discord is the main one, i'm quite active on there and it's not that easy to replace because of its structure with communities (also there aren't good alternatives yet, quite hopeful for Fluxer tho). I also use an iPhone and Apple Messages, and i have a Macbook (which I don't use much at the moment) but I'm gonna install Linux on it. I don't make use of iCloud tho, i use Proton Drive and selfhosted email.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    I'm not trying to rib you here, but I hate that excuse that it's too hard to drop these products. We've lived thousands of years without them, but lack the will now? WTF kinda weak ass shit is that?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I am not saying that it's hard to drop

    I'm saying that because of Discord's structure it's hard to move Discord communities to other platforms because you need to move a community of many people rather than just an account on which you post and view posts like when moving from Twitter to Mastodon or Reddit to Lemmy

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago*

    It's not hard at all. You either move or you don't. It's binary. If you can't be bothered to do a little bit of legwork then just stay where you are and give the corps what they want. If that fragments your community so be it, build another one. All I hear are excuses as to why folks can't stand by their morals because it's inconvenient. IMO it's pathetic, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

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  • [–] 65 points 8 months ago

    People are talking about it, but the conversations are muffled or muted by those same billionaires.

    Large no kings rallies should have had massive coverage, but were actively ignored by the news who frequently report on a handful of protestors who are promoting hate. Heck, with all of the pro Trump bullshit being a tidal wave of shit it just drowns out everything else so trying to actively discuss problems anywhere but niche communities is like trying to have a conversation in the middle of the dance floor at a rave.

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  • [–] 26 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    The percentage of sociopaths involved with creating a society should never be greater than zero.

    Financial obesity is an existential threat to any society that tolerates it, and needs to cease being celebrated, rewarded, and positioned as an aspirational goal.

    Corporations are the only ‘persons’ which should be subjected to capital punishment, but billionaires should be euthanised through taxation.

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Kind of ironic that this was posted on Twitter (X).

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    Is this any different than making a post on Reddit encouraging people to switch to Lemmy?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    Does that make it less ironic?

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago

    Delete all your accounts, and tell all your friends and family to do the same. Refuse and reject any service designed to fixate your attention. You won't miss them, most people alive today lived in a world without their influence.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago

    And some people will defend billionaires saying thjs is just the free market working.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    Let me know if and when they take over thelemmyclub, I'll be out of here in a heartbeat

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    Plus Amazon

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Lol 185+ stations.

    Sinclair waged this war a decade ago and won. That number needs a couple zeros on it.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    Last season of Westworld was about guiding people through AI to control them. Your destiny was preordained by AI.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    We shouldn’t be integrating AI into our lives though. AI sucks.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    I concur, though my job has me integrating some open ai into our software. Not much I can do besides so what they like, bit of transcription and summary.

    Had a coworker give me replies from gpt for an issue . I could tell easily because I had worked with similar data for years (parsing PBX data for calls) and knew the reply had errors. Like I know I can have issues parsing our data sometimes but it was insulting he gave an AI reply. So I nicely pointed out all the errors in the reply saying I assumed it was from ai. Mean did it nicely he was trying to help (and is a really nice dude) but still I know how to google and sift as well as ai probably does. And if I get the answer I remember it due due to the work I did.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago*

    The beacon of freedom and democracy, as that loosely arranged attempt at a nation state has been called, certainly is not.

    (Edit: and unlike some people seem to think, it has never ever been) 

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Use Kimi K2 instead, feed your data to the Chinese instead of the massive nonces in the US.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Add Google, Microslop, and Apple to the list as they love to bend the knee to kiss the ring.

    There's only so much you can do when your operating systems are run by fascists.

    But they "deeply" care about your "privacy".

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  • [–] 27 points 8 months ago* (7 children)

    They said......on twitter/X ... with a blue check...

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    And how dare they criticize capitalism while living in a capitalist country!

    And how dare they push for better labor laws while using electronics made by child labor!

    Stop with the silliness.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (4 children)
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    Socialism doesn't really address any of that, instead you just have a political party elite that fills that plutocrat class. It's the same shit when it comes to a few megalomaniacs ending up in control of everything.

    What you need is an actual fucking democracy.

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