https://lemmy.world/post/40834399
Quick post about AI-free FireFox Based Browsers (Keep your Addons and avoid the Bloat)
https://lemmy.world/post/40834399
Quick post about AI-free FireFox Based Browsers (Keep your Addons and avoid the Bloat)
Oh for fucks sake, you don't even have to turn it off, just don't use the AI functions if you don't want to. Like translate or Image Caption for the blind.
The AI functions don't do shit unless you use them.
They don't slow your browser down, and they don't eat resources as is so often claimed.
Stop the fucking Mozilla hate.
I find it funny. How Firefox users are saying, "Just turn it off, bro." in the comments now. After having Brave users shit for saying the same thing for years. Never change browser war BS..never change.
Bro, just turn it off if you don't want it.
Or use Tor Browser or Mullvad Browser if you don't wanna deal with it.
How about we remove it from the browser, and if you want it you can install it as an addon.
Submit that pull request, my dude
Do you have the authority to authorize its approval, or are you just trying to shut people up with a thought-terminating cliché
You don't need authority if its your own code, technically. Just commit and build.
If you're wanting it as the default for everyone who uses that browser, Lemmy is not the place to request it. Hit up Mozilla, ask them to change it, or change it yourself and ask them to review your pull request. They authorize and approve from outside contributors quite often, so don't sell yourself short.
But also, yes, i love the cliche because people just moan on lemmy about things instead of actively addressing the issue with the appropriate people on the appropriate mediums.
Airing your grievances out here is fun though. I get it. but asking the people upset about it to do some work is also fun.
Do you really believe Mozilla would accept a pull request to remove AI from their codebase?
Why do you want people to stop discussing this? Are you running community management for Mozilla? If not, why is discussing it not "addressing the issue"? People are engaging in discourse.
Not once did I say I want people to stop discussing this.
What is the purpose of this message?
But also, yes, i love the cliche because people just moan on lemmy about things instead of actively addressing the issue with the appropriate people on the appropriate mediums.
Airing your grievances out here is fun though. I get it. but asking the people upset about it to do some work is also fun.
Awfully ironic to say this, now that "code is free". What work are we talking about?
Like I said, then use a fork.
Tor and Mullvad made some excellent browsers.
bro use another thing. don't complain or suggest something should be different! Just abandon toot sweet. Seriously im in process of moving to either waterfox or librefox but the browser is practically an abstracted next level of the os so moving over is just a bit faster than moving my os. At least for my main browser.
Librewolf keeps crashing my machine whenever I alt tab out of a game to it.
Might just be a Firefox bug, since it's a very light fork. Try Firefox and see if it does the same thing.
I switched back to Firefox after the third time it happened. Not a Firefox issue
Well, you could import the same policies into Firefox that LibreWolf uses, or it might be some workaround in your graphics driver that acts on the filename of the Firefox executable.
Obviously you don't need to test, but just throwing out ideas if you would want to.
Better yet, just make a pull request. Its open source. Can build your own Firefox.
xactly. or why even fork. just start building a new browser writing straight assembly or better yet bro code it with ai.
The source code is there. Why reinvent the wheel. Its like 2 or 3 commands to build it.
oh building it straight up removes the ai? do builds ever fail? what are the three commands. I won't need specific libraries or other requirments for my os yeah?
Ezpz
Now you won't ever have to worry about it.
Better yet, install Tor Browser or Mullvad browser and save yourself from typing 3 command lines.
im already moving to either waterfox or librefox. comes down to if my addons have any issue with either. hoping waterfox as I already sorta have waterfox for a specific setup I don't want to change.
Ah well I wish you luck with the fingerprint issues with those two browsers. Weird to care about AI being in your browser but not about that, but I guess its better than Chrome.
What fingerprint issues are you aware of?
https://github.com/BrowserWorks/waterfox
Search "fingerprint" on the issues page. Read the "closed" issues as well, because all they did was close the issue and direct them to a discussion page.
Could you link to a real issue so we aren't guessing about what we are looking at?
No. There are 30+ there.
I'm seeing closed bugs from 2021 here, are we supposed to take these seriously?
Its been a known issue for a while, yes.
Then go fix them
Uh, I'm not trying to be all Hail Corporate or anything, but they didn't have to include the disable AI toggle. It sounds like if you turn it off, you never have to think about AI in Firefox...
Opt-in is not just the only respectful choice, it's also the only logical or ethical one. Mozilla instead made the choice that makes the most financial sense, like every other company or nonprofit on the planet.
If you have other ideas to fund the project, see if Mozilla will listen to you. We don't have to like it, but at this time Firefox is still the least-bad browser. But people who won't accept anything good they do are actually unhinged...
LibreWolf FTW?
That was what I installed on a Windows VM last week. Such a nice installer, too!
Pretty much, or any other fork that didn't add this garbage in the first place.
Absolutely. My loyal friend keeping me safe foir years. The Wolf is the way.
@yoasif@fedia.io, you spammed this story everywhere.
Not cool, man.
It raises awareness of an important issue. Not everyone is suscribed everywhere, some communities can be blocked or defederated, etc.
It was posted in like 5 different communities, some not even close to related (for example 3 Linux communities), some posted twice (eg. the Linux previously mentioned communities). They could have just crossposted it using the feature. Either way it is still a lot of spam. It isnt even that important of news because anyone who cares about this (anti or pro LLM) has already made up their mind and would already have formed an opinion on this feature without a random article.
I only happened to see it here, mind sharing other commuties where they posted? I may want to join some^^
Here are some, though they def spammed more communities:
!foss@beehaw.org !privacy@lemmy.dbzer0.com !linux@lemmy.world !linux@lemmy.ml
I swear people will never be happy no matter what.
No AI features? Get with the times man.
AI features? High treason.
Opt-out? Not good enough.
Opt-in? Nobody will use it.
Can't please everyone I guess.
If most people don't want it enough to opt in, then it belongs in an extension, not the base browser. Then it's still there for the ones who actually do want it, but won't bother anyone else.
I have yet to spot anybody complaining about Firefox not having enough AI features, or hoping for opt-out instead of opt-in.
It'd be nice if they even pleased the open AI enthusiasts, but they can't even manage that.
"Whoopsies! Sorry folks, turns out the opt-out of our baked in AI dung didn't quite funciton poperly, and you've been feeding literally everything you've done over the past months to BigTech & your favorite government. Our bad."
Not if, but how soon. Read: MS Copilot & emails
I disagree. Being able to choose which llm features I want is a win, and being able to use a local llm to translate language is better than sending data to Google to do that.
You are aware translation services are available that are neither a local LLM nor Google-owned, yes? We had machine translation before ChatGPT existed, and I don't think that tech evaporated in a sudden fire just because a more harmful option appeared.
The appropriate option for Mozilla would've been to not include AI at all. If they really, really couldn't have swung that (they could've), then the second best option would be having all AI features set to off-by-default. Instead, we've got on-by-default. That is unambiguously a terrible idea.
Pre-LLM translation services also generally used AI, just via more traditional machine learning. The only difference is introducing a locally run LLM.
If it runs locally and is openly available, then it doesn't make much difference to me if it's a traditional model or a LLM.
Considering the negative impacts LLMs have on so many facets of life today, that's kinda the problem. Running it locally only solves some of those.
Fundamentally though, I just don't want the tech involved in my life at all anymore. I don't care if it has a niche use here or not. It can just fuck off.
Vivaldi for the win?
No AI crap at all
Closed source Chromium sounds like fun.
Where did you get that?
A quick search lands me on this page https://vivaldi.com/source/
Edit: also this https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/privacy/is-vivaldi-open-source/
No AI is a nice feature; Chromium is not. For those who feel like I do, LibreWolf is a version of Firefox that appears to strip most if not all AI, and being a Firefox fork means that it's also not Chromium. It also uses more privacy-conscious settings by default.
I would note that it appears that the poster created this account immediately prior to posting, and then immediately started spamming this post to many different communities, which isn't something that I'm super enthusiastic about.
It's annoying to have to create a new account since federation from mbin to Lemmy doesn't seem to work across many instances. That and adding a thumbnail to many Lemmy communities simply strips the shared link.
It is how it should be. Where is the problem now? Accountability sink?? Are you that desperate??
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