Discord cut ties with its age-verification partner after exposed code fueled federal-reporting concerns, months after a breach hit 70,000 users.

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[–] 262 points 8 months ago

Discord: Sorry, we spied and report on you through software from a bad company. Be assured, we will spy and report on you through good company software from now on!

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  • [–] 221 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    A nothingburger apology that follows the same patterns every company does

    1. Introduce outrageous thing

    2. Apologize

    3. delay outrageous thing by a few months and hope people forgot about it, then do it again

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  • [–] 117 points 8 months ago* (7 children)

    [Insert South Park "We're Sorry" scene here]

    Also, given the state of affairs and the lack of trust, I dont believe they are cutting them off. Assume the worst and do what you can to decouple from the platform I dont expect people to quit cold-turkey, but put in the effort, it takes a long time to degoogle yourself and given how ubiquitous discord was during the plague, I dont fault people for making sure lines of communication and contacts arnt broken.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    I tried hosting my own TS server recently and it's easy as shit. Not as many features sure, but it's so snappy and it just works. Ideally I'd move to mumble and host it on some old laptop but as a backup thing I can't complain

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Teamspeak requires you to pay for a license to host a community of greater than 32 people though. I have much more faith in Fluxer, which just came out recently and has its servers getting hammered right now. It will have true self-hosting and federation. Also it looks exactly like Discord which probably makes moving to it easier.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    https://github.com/fluxerapp/fluxer

    Neat

    Maybe I can spin something up for family to use instead of SMS.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Check out the snikket server/app, it's a complete setup that uses an XMPP server and clients with a focus on families and close friends

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Ive already got xmpp, its more a client thing for them I think.

    The discord-esque look I think works. Though if you've got a client rec for xmpp with a similar feel, for that I'm all ears.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago*

    on desktop I tried gajim and it was good

    on android snikket has an official client, it is a fork of conversations.im (they fork it so the client as the same name in every platform to avoid confusing users) i haven't found a client for android/ios that matches discord feel tho

    edit: forgot to say snikket is also on ios

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Ive hosted my own TS3 server for well over a decade and matrix was spooled up this past year. They both are good products and server their roles, but they dont line up 100% with Discord and its user reach.

    I am hopefull TS6 gets the funding it needs to get out of beta and I wish the Fluxer dev the best (they are going to need it).

    What this whole discord debacle needs to teach people is how to be independent regarding your communications, data and their storage.

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  • [–] 113 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Peter thiel is everything wrong with the world.

    He is a plague, a cancer, a curse.

    He is in the Epstein files.

    He likely had his gay lover killed for revealing he was gay.

    Peter thiel is the enemy of humanity.

    Peter thiel is an antichrist

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

    Epstein to Thiel in emails after brexit happened:

    “Finding things on their way to collapse was much easier than finding the next bargain.”

    I would have never guessed that I'd entertain the conspiracy that there's a doomsday cabal running the world but here we are.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    In america they are know as the new apostolic Reformation or the Seven Mountain Mandate/7M/7MM. And yes, their goal is Armageddon. And yes, mike Johnson, ted Cruz and father, boebert, Michael Flynn, Roger Stone, and dozens of other Republicans and influential and powerful people on the far right spectrum are members of or closely associated with these groups. And many of the outsider types have been quietly given government positions.

    Of special note is Paula White, trump's "spiritual advisor"

    https://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/how-a-conservative-christian-movement-became-an-important-part-of-trump-s-political-strategy-1.5874143

    https://theconversation.com/new-apostolic-reformation-evangelicals-see-trump-as-gods-warrior-in-their-battle-to-win-america-from-satanic-forces-and-christianize-it-243002

    Followers believe that by fulfilling the Seven Mountain Mandate, they can establish the kingdom of God on earth and bring about the end times.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Apostolic_Reformation

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Mountain_Mandate

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  • [–] 78 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Reminder: this changes nothing in their age verification requirements or telemetry gathering and training off your data/habits. They’re just going to use another invasive third party.

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  • [–] 68 points 8 months ago

    Yeah I'm sure they had absolutely no idea before. Because Peter Thiel such a trusted and reputable name, how could they possibly known that doing business with him would be negatively construed?

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  • [–] 65 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    I'm absolutely deleting my discord account once they update it with the age verification. The matrix protocol is a reasonable alternative https://joinmatrix.org/

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Why not today? They’ve already shown their true colours. That’s the bar they set=> EXPECT them to keep that bar there and lower it eventually.

    Show me an example of a big corporation that has backpedaled and then started acting wholesome from then on. You might find, maybe one or two for the time being.

    They are not your friends.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    I saw a report earlier today that they've "postponed" the age verification due to public backlash. If they DO implement it, I'm gone.

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  • [–] 42 points 8 months ago*
    • Company does new "bad" thing.
    • Thing gets media attention.
    • Company postpones/reassures.
    • Attention dies down.
    • Company rolls out thing more slowly over longer period of time.

    Not saying that's what's going to happen. Just keep that in mind and maybe use this time to explore some other options. That usually doesn't hurt and if push comes to shove moving won't be as painful.

    Generally if possible diversifying is usually a good thing no matter what.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    You do realize they already get all your data and such right? Discord openly admitted that when theyr pr Department went out and said; "But hey! This won't even matter to those who've had an account for several years. We already have enough data on you guys to verify your age!"

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    That is still very different than giving them access to my facial data or government id

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    And you know they don't have, how? They litterally track everything.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Because I've never uploaded my face or a picture or my ID before? They don't just magically pull that from the ether.

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  • [–] 58 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    We should pretty much assume that all age verification efforts either currently are feeding into surveillance efforts, or will be bought out by surveillance companies.

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  • [–] 55 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    What a load of shit.

    "Company cuts ties with leopard after customers notice leopard".

    At this point, as a tech industry insider, you don't partner with the likes of Thiel or Karp without fully understanding who you're getting into bed with, or why.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Yeah, they’re doing the right thing here as a PR move, they may have known about the shady bullshit or they might not have but if they didn’t I bet they didn’t even ask or care in any way.

    Still time to find discord alternatives, luckily the landscape of alternatives seems a bit better than I expected.

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  • [–] 51 points 8 months ago

    That's cool, still leaving though.

    I ain't submitting my ID to anyone over the internet.

    This is a place of anonymity, not for proclaiming from the rooftops who I am on here.

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  • [–] 45 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Too late Discord. I will never come back.

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  • [–] 44 points 8 months ago

    ... cuts ties for the time being

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  • [–] 43 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    Well, I don't believe you.

    Also, you should learn what trust is and how that works.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Trust isn't on then now. They won't learn what it means until the customer demonstrates what trust means. The trust is gone on our side so leave the platform. Rip the bandaid off. Get off social media. Get off shitty streaming services.

    Do it and do it now.

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  • [–] -3 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Got it, cancelling my Netflix now, that will show er... discord? Somehow.

    I get what you're saying, but I also don't pay for discord, so it's not like they'll care if I disappear.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Discord gets paid for user's data and they just lost a ton of users. That's why they are "cutting ties" with Persona.

    I suspect its more of a temporary reaction and they will reframe this age-verification and the related data collection and try again later.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    This. People seem to think that if they don’t pay for a service or click on ads on social sites, then they aren’t contributing to the company’s revenue. They fail to realize that THEY themselves are the product being sold. The sites/services and the interactions people have on them are merely a byproduct of the business model which is selling people’s data. The only way to win is to not play.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago*

    Yes. I have a hard no for participating willingly in expansion of mass surveillance, censorship and propaganda.

    And that’s ultimately what this move supports. It was no surprise to find out all the shady aspects following the announcement, but I had already burned Discord out of my life the day they announced their genius idea.

    Its my enshittification red line. I will quit your product without hesitation and find another way. I will never go back

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    I think you’re missing the point. The idea isn’t that leaving Netflix would affect discord; but rather that we should tie an exodus from discord to the rest of the de-cloud movement.

    In other words, quitting discord won’t solve the root cause of why discord went to shit. The root cause are cartel-like cloud companies that are trying to gain leverage over society as large. The only way to reasonably solve it is to stop participating.

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  • [–] 39 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    With guys like this you don't need to find secret surveillance shit, you just need to assume it.

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    It's fucking Peter Thiel. They should know he is radioactive.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Tech CEOs don't live in the same world as the rest of us. Maybe when the AI bubble pops they'll finally realise that it might be good idea to have some actual humans working in the company C suite. Rather than repeatedly hiring from the same pod person pool of recycled MBA executives.

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  • [–] 38 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    Too late lol,already deleted my 10+ year old discord

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  • [+] -43 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    If you really cared and could delete it without problem, it would have been deleted way earlier, no?

    I have a hard time believing people actually do these things.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Nah, it gave me 10 different things I had to do before deleting my account. Also, no. I have my limit and it crossed when they chose to implement facial ID. I am missing it still, I am looking for something to fill the open group discussion it had for me.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    That's the hard part really, finding a new group chat platform.

    My friends and I are switching to Matrix but finding a community there is gonna be a bit tough.

    We all become too dependent on Discord and now we're paying the price when we try to leave.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    That’s really nice! I went ahead and setup Element on all my devices as well, but I’m not as enthusiastic. Most people won’t bother changing. It was a pain to make people move from WhatsApp / iMessage to Signal already

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    The problem is how will you do for most services and websites? They have support on discord for the most part (especially for coding stuff, or games)

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  • [–] 38 points 8 months ago

    Nah, don't believe it. Reason: money

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    Too little, too late.

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    Whoops we accidentally picked something that will give the government your data. That wasn't our intention. Instead we're going to use an independent service so the government will have to buy it from us.

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  • [–] 54 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Smoke in mirrors. I'm calling bullshit. Thiel will probably get all the info and blackmail everyone later.

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  • [–] 30 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Smoke and mirrors mate. Hard agree though, it all goes into storage to weaponise later.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Bad thing is we're not immune in Lemmy. Sometimes I wonder if my 900 security counter measures ever leak. I tried to go to a site to test it one time, but my features were so tight that I couldn't even load the test page. At least it's worth less to them than data off Facebook with some anonymity.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    He already got it. That's the only reason a company "backpedals". Saying this shit is only to save face so no one leaves. You know, because we're all stupid and believe everything rich people teal us.

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  • [–] 26 points 8 months ago* (6 children)

    Is it just me or does this (the push for removing online anonymity) feel like part of a bigger move to push people into further insulated groups and prevent social cohesion?

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  • [+] 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)
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    Once the right have managed to get this law passed, they'll go back to not caring about the kids again. It's infuriating now often they get away with this scam.

    I was a kid back when most adults thought that computers what operated by tiny pixies and computer mice had three buttons. We had a content filter on the school computers that could be circumvented by not typing www. at the beginning of a URL. I could have seen all sorts of inappropriate content if I had wanted, but I didn't because I was 12 so I just used it to play RuneScape. The kids are alright, it's the adults that are all messed up.

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  • [+] 8 points 8 months ago* (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Yes but also these people, especially the likes of Donald Trump, don't really understand how the world works so all their plans for controlling it never come off, because things that would be blindingly obvious to most people, are utterly obtrused to them.

    You know like the idea that people would just not use privacy invading applications. How many people do you think have actually submitted their IDs versus have just downloaded a VPN or convented their controls in other ways? Then they'll make VPNs illegal and think that they've in some way achieved something, but they will always be a workaround for their authority, because the people they are trying to control are smarter than them.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    I'm with you. Made a comment recently, here or elsewhere, that a huge thing to happen with social spaces over time is that trustworthy sources of information have a chance to really prove themselves as such. So when you rip apart one platform and scatter its users, you destroy that earned credibility and leave a lot of people without at least some of their reliable news sources. That's most harmful to people looking for actual truth, since people willing to swallow comfortable lies don't really need the providers of information to be vetted.

    The conclusion to all this is that keeping social platforms from building large, long-term communities is a very effective way to keep people who seek truth from finding it.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I've not really ever had any cohesion on the platforms I use anonymously anyway. I just like having places to talk about shit without any judgement that would be linked to my identity. Gonna miss that if this shit takes off but going outside more will probably do me some good.

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    [–] 26 points 8 months ago

    nice try, but you will try to reintroduce it under another name. ALso the anti-christ thiel wont be happy.

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  • [–] 26 points 8 months ago

    Why create ties in the first place?

    Not sure if I should upvote people fixing a obvious, terrible problem that they created themselves.

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago*

    Trump, thiel, musk - all their dads were Nazis.

    Trump's dad hated black people and sheltered Nazis and the KKK, Thiel's dad is from a Nazi town in South Africa, Musk's father and grandfather went to South Africa just for the racism.

    They're all stuck in that, and catching feelings because of it.

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago

    Funny part is everyone was already saying this when Discord mentioned age verification and Discord was acting like their heads were in the sand. It wasn't until mass exodus and people canceling Nitro that they finally did something.

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago

    Discord is fucked. You love to see it.

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago

    Too late hahahaha

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago

    I deleted Discord and will not return.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago

    Too fuckin bad Discord. Damage is done.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago

    Already deleted my account. Not going back.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago

    Too little too late fuck you discord.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I dunno. The current state of the world might be making me more conspiracy-minded, but this feels like it was always part of the plan.

    Introduce surveillance tech that Peter Thiel can use to spy/sell/whatever, announce that you're using it, expecting people to get angry, and now in the 11th hour, after harvesting all the data they get to announce "we're removing the evil software! We're the good guys again!"

    I recognize that the current state of affairs is having me see demons everywhere, but I just can't bring myself to give discord a pat on the back.

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