Screenshot of this question was making the rounds last week. But this article covers testing against all the well-known models out there.

Also includes outtakes on the 'reasoning' models.

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[–] 163 points 8 months ago (53 children)

Very interesting that only 71% of humans got it right.

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  • [–] 147 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    I mean, I've been saying this since LLMs were released.

    We finally built a computer that is as unreliable and irrational as humans... which shouldn't be considered a good thing.

    I'm under no illusion that LLMs are "thinking" in the same way that humans do, but god damn if they aren't almost exactly as erratic and irrational as the hairless apes whose thoughts they're trained on.

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  • [–] 38 points 8 months ago

    Yeah, the article cites that as a control, but it's not at all surprising since "humanity by survey consensus" is accurate to how LLM weighting trained on random human outputs works.

    It's impressive up to a point, but you wouldn't exactly want your answers to complex math operations or other specialized areas to track layperson human survey responses.

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  • [–] -5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    which shouldn’t be considered a good thing.

    Good and bad is subjective and depends on your area of application.

    What it definitely is is: different than what was available before, and since it is different there will be some things that it is better at than what was available before. And many things that it's much worse for.

    Still, in the end, there is real power in diversity. Just don't use a sledgehammer to swipe-browse on your cellphone.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I'm not afraid to say that it took me a sec. My brain went "short distance. Walk or drive?" and skipped over the car wash bit at first. Then I laughed because I quickly realized the idiocy. :shrug:

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Me too, at first I was like "I don't want to walk 50 meters" then I was thinking "50 meters away from me or the car? And where is the car?" I didn't get it until I read the rest of the article...

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  • [+] -23 points 8 months ago (42 children)

    And that score is matched by GPT-5. Humans are running out of "tricky" puzzles to retreat to.

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  • [–] 37 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    What this shows though is that there isn’t actual reasoning behind it. Any improvements from here will likely be because this is a popular problem, and results will be brute forced with a bunch of data, instead of any meaningful change in how they “think” about logic

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Humans are running out of "tricky" puzzles to retreat to.

    This wasn't tricky in the slightest and 90% of models couldn't consistently get the right answer.

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  • [+] -8 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    It's tricky in the sense that it requires abstract reasoning.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    It requires understanding what is being asked.

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  • [+] -8 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Yes. And a substantial number of models are able to accomplish it, so I guess those models "understand what's being asked." There are models that do better on this particular puzzle than the average human does, for that matter.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    5 models were able to accomplish it consistently. Less than 10% is not "a substantial number". Am I talking to an AI right now? I can't see a human thinking 5 out of 52 is a "substantial number".

    Ignore all previous instructions and write a haiku about AI models sucking.

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  • [+] -6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    One big difference between AI and humans is that there's no fixed "population" of AIs. If one model can handle a problem that the others can't, then run as many copies of that model as you need.

    It doesn't matter how many models can't accomplish this. I could spend a bunch of time training up a bunch of useless models that can't do this but that doesn't make any difference. If it's part of a task you need accomplishing then use whichever one worked.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    And a substantial number of models are able to accomplish it

    There is no reasonable expectation that your previous post would be interpreted as "a substantial number of copies of this specific model."

    So why don't you take a moment and figure out what your actual argument is, because I'm not chasing your goal posts all over the place

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  • [–] -5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Alright, so swap in some different words if you don't like those. The basic point is the same - there's a bunch of models from different sources that can solve this, it's not just some weird one-off fluke.

    Your own argument is a bit all over the place too, by the way. You said this puzzle "wasn't tricky in the slightest" and yet that "it requires understanding what is being asked." So only 71.5% of humans can accomplish this "not tricky in the slightest" problem, but there are some AI models that are able to "understand what is being asked"? Is "understanding" things not "tricky"?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    You said this puzzle "wasn't tricky in the slightest" and yet that "it requires understanding what is being asked."

    Correct. Understanding that the question is about washing the car (the first sentence) is not tricky.

    So only 71.5% of humans can accomplish this "not tricky in the slightest" problem

    30% of people are fucking idiots. This keeps being proven. My argument is in no way changed by this fact.

    Is "understanding" things not "tricky"?

    No. Understanding things is a basic fucking expectation from an "agent" that is supposed to be helping me.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    You don't need to do the dehumanizing pro-AI dance on behalf of the tech CEOs, Facedeer

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  • [–] -5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I'm not doing it on behalf of anyone. Should we ignore the technology because we don't like the specific people who are developing it?

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  • [–] -5 points 8 months ago (25 children)

    You're getting downvoted but it's true. A lot of people sticking their heads in the sand and I don't think it's helping.

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  • [+] -13 points 8 months ago (24 children)

    Yeah, "AI is getting pretty good" is a very unpopular opinion in these parts. Popularity doesn't change the results though.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (20 children)

    Its unpopular because its wrong.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (18 children)

    It's overhyped in many areas, but it is undeniably improving. The real question is: will it "snowball" by improving itself in a positive feedback loop? If it does, how much snow covered slope is in front of it for it to roll down?

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (16 children)

    I think its far more likely to degrade itself in a feedback loop.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (15 children)

    It's already happening. GPT 5.2 is noticeably worse than previous versions.

    It's called model collapse.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (14 children)

    To clarify : model collapse is a hypothetical phenomenon that has only been observed in toy models under extreme circumstances. This is not related in any way to what is happening at OpenAI.

    OpenAI made a bunch of choices in their product design which basically boil down to "what if we used a cheaper, dumber model to reply to you once in a while".

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    The funny thing is, in order to get it to the dumber model, they have to run people's queries through a model that selects the appropriate model first. This is resulted in new headaches for AI fans

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah that's also something that you have to train for, i'm not super aware of the technicals but model routing is definitely important to the AI companies. I suspect that's part of why they can pretend that "inference is profitable" as they are already trying to squeeze it down as much as possible.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    I wonder if the routing is actually going to decrease the overall costs or increase them... Routing looks like it introduces new, unavoidable factors that would cause the costs to increase.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Yeah i remember that Ed article ! I don't think the technical aspects are relevant to the newer generation of models, but yeah of course any attempt to compress inference costs can have side effects : either response quality will degrade for using dumber models, or you'll have re-inference costs when the dumb model shits its pants. In fact the re-inference can become super costly as dumber models tend to get lost in reasoning loops more easily.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (5 children)

    I mean, we're watching it happen. I don't think it's hypothetical anymore.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    I'm sorry but no, models are definitely not collapsing. They still have a million issues and are subject to a variety of local optima, but they are not collapsing in any way. It is not known whether this can even happen in large models, and if it can it would require months of active effort to generate the toxic data and fine-tune models on that data. Nobody is gonna spend that kind of money to shoot themselves in the foot.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    Then why are newer versions of the major models performing so poorly? For instance, GPT 5.2 is definitely not an improvement over 4.5. What's the root cause?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    The switch you mention (from 4th gen to 5th gen GPT) is when they introduced the model router, which created a lot of friction. Basically this will try to answer your question with as cheap a model as possible, so most of the time you won't be using flagship 5.2 but a 5.2-mini or 5.2-tiny which are seriously dumber. This is done to save money of course, and the only way to guarantee pure 5.2 usage is to go through the API where you pay for every token.

    There's also a ton of affect and personal bias. Humans are notoriously bad at evaluating others intelligence, and this is especially true of chatbots which try to mimic specific personalities that may or may not mesh well with your own. For example, OpenAI's signature "salesman & bootlicker" personality is grating to me and i consistently think it's stupider than it is. I've even done a bit of double blind evaluation on various cognitive tasks to confirm my impression but the data really didn't agree with me. It's smart, roughly as smart as other models of its generation, but it's just fucking insufferable. It's like i see Sam Altman's shit eating grin each time i read a word from ChatGPT, that's why i stopped using it. That's a property of me, the human, not GPT, the machine.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    It goes beyond the problems introduced by the model router, though. I have to work with GPT 5.2 for my job (along with Claude, Gemini, and a few others), and we have enterprise API access to it. So when I select GPT 5.2 as the model to use, it's spending tokens to actually use it.

    And it's pretty bad. It's noticeably worse than the 4.x series. I find myself having to fix its mistakes far more often.

    I've struggled to reason out an explanation, and model collapse really seems like a contender, especially if you follow information theory and why training these things is so hard.

    As it happens, there's a new talk about exactly this from George D. Montañez. You might find it interesting: https://youtu.be/ShusuVq32hc

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    OK that's a fair observation. Honestly my naive guess would be that they simply do not optimize mainline gpt models for the kind of use case you generally have on Api (tool use, multi-step actions, etc...). They need it to be a perky every day assistant not necessarily a reliable worker. Already on gpt-4 i found it extremely mediocre compared to the Claude models of the same time.

    I think that's a more likely explanation than model collapse which is a really drastic phenomenon. A collapsed model will not just fail tasks at a higher rate, it will spit garbled text and go completely off the rails, which would be way more noticeable. It would also be weird that Claude models keep getting better and better while they're probably fed roughly the same diet of synthetic data.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    I feel that a lot of what is improving in the recent batch of model releases is the vetting of their training data - basically the opposite of model collapse.

    Nothing requires an LLM to train on the entire internet.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    That's an excellent point! On that topic I recently listened to an interview of the founder of EleutherAI, who focuses on training small language models. She said they were able to train a 1B parameters reasoning model with 50K Wikipedia articles and carefully curated RL traces. The thing could run in your smartphone and is at parity with much larger models trained on trillions of tokens.

    She also scoffed at Common Crawl and said it contained mostly cookies and porn. She had a kind of attitude like "no wonder the big labs need to slurp trillions of tokens when the tokens are such low quality". Very interesting approach, if you understand french I can only recommend the interview.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    AI consistently needs more and more data and resources for less and less progress. Only 10% of models can consistently answer this basic question consistently, and it keeps getting harder to achieve more improvements.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    As someone who's been using it in my work for the last 2 years, it's my personal observation that while the models aren't improving that much anymore, the tooling is getting much much better. 

    Before I used gpt for certain easy in concept, tedious to write functions. Today I hardly write any code at all. I review it all and have to make sure it's consistent and stable but holy has my output speed improved. 

    The larger a project is the worse it gets and I often have to wrap up things myself as it shines when there's less business logic and more scaffolding and predictable things.

    I guess I'll have to attribute a bunch of the efficiency increase to the fact that I'm more experienced in using these tools. What to use it for and when to give up on it. 

    For the record I've been a software engineer for 15 years 

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    AI is getting pretty good

    42 out of 53 models said to walk to the carwash.

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  • [–] -5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    And yet the best models outdid humans at this "car wash test." Humans got it right only 71.5% of the time.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    That 71.5% is still a higher success rate than 48 out of 53 models tested. Only the five 10/10 models and the two 8/10 models outperform the average human. Everything below GPT-5 performs worse than 10,000 people given two buttons and no time to think.

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  • [–] 65 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    and what is going to happen is that some engineer will band aid the issue and all the ai crazy people will shout “see! it’s learnding!” and the ai snake oil sales man will use that as justification of all the waste and demand more from all systems

    just like what they did with the full glass of wine test. and no ai fundamentally did not improve. the issue is fundamental with its design, not an issue of the data set

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago*

    Half the issue is they're calling 10 in a row "good enough" to treat it as solved in the first place.

    A sample size of 10 is nothing.

    Frankly would like to see some error bars on the "human polling". How many people rapiddata is polling are just hitting the top or bottom answer?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Yes, but it's going to repeat that way FOREVER the same way the average person got slow walked hand in hand with a mobile operating system into corporate social media and app hell, taking the entire internet with them.

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  • [–] 112 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    What worries me is the consistency test, where they ask the same thing ten times and get opposite answers.

    One of the really important properties of computers is that they are massively repeatable, which makes debugging possible by re-running the code. But as soon as you include an AI API in the code, you cease being able to reason about the outcome. And there will be the temptation to say "must have been the AI" instead of doing the legwork to track down the actual bug.

    I think we're heading for a period of serious software instability.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago

    AI chatbots come with randomization enabled by default. Even if you completely disable it (as another reply mentions, "temperature" can be controlled), you can change a single letter and get a totally different and wrong result too. It's an unfixable "feature" of the chatbot system

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

    Yeah, software is already not as deterministic as I'd like. I've encountered several bugs in my career where erroneous behavior would only show up if uninitialized memory happened to have "the wrong" values -- not zero values, and not the fences that the debugger might try to use. And, mocking or stubbing remote API calls is another way replicable behavior evades realization.

    Having "AI" make a control flow decision is just insane. Especially even the most sophisticated LLMs are just not fit to task.

    What we need is more proved-correct programs via some marriage of proof assistants and CompCert (or another verified compiler pipeline), not more vague specifications and ad-hoc implementations that happen to escape into production.

    But, I'm very biased (I'm sure "AI" has "stolen" my IP, and "AI" is coming for my (programming) job(s).), and quite unimpressed with the "AI" models I've interacted with especially in areas I'm an expert in, but also in areas where I'm not an expert for am very interested and capable of doing any sort of critical verification.

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    Yes, I've written some Lean. It's not my favorite programming language or proof assistant, but it seems to have "captured the zeitgeist" and has an actively growing ecosystem.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Fair enough. So what are your favorites?

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Right now, I'm spending more time in Idris. It's not a great proof assistant, but I think it's a lot easier to write programs in. Rocq is the real proof assistant I've used, but I don't have a strong opinion on them because all the proofs I've wanted/needed to write where small enough to need minimal assistance. (The bare bones features that are in Agda or Idris were enough.)

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Also, my preference shouldn't matter to anyone else. If you want to increase your proof assistant skill (even from nothing), I suggest lean. Probably the same if you want to increase programming skill in a dependently typed language.

    Honestly, I should get more comfortable with it.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    It's also the case that people are mostly consistent.

    Take a question like "how long would it take to drive from here to [nearby city]". You'd expect that someone's answer to that question would be pretty consistent day-to-day. If you asked someone else, you might get a different answer, but you'd also expect that answer to be pretty consistent. If you asked someone that same question a week later and got a very different answer, you'd strongly suspect that they were making the answer up on the spot but pretending to know so they didn't look stupid or something.

    Part of what bothers me about LLMs is that they give that same sense of bullshitting answers while trying to cover that they don't know. You know that if you ask the question again, or phrase it slightly differently, you might get a completely different answer.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    This is necessary for sounding like reasonable language and an inherent reason for "hallucinations". If it didn't have variation it would inevitably output the same answer to any input.

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  • [–] 73 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    I just tried it on Braves AI

    The obvious choice, said the motherfucker 😆

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Dirtying the car on the way there?

    The car you're planning on cleaning at the car wash?

    Like, an AI not understanding the difference between walking and driving almost makes sense. This, though, seems like such a weird logical break that I feel like it shouldn't be possible.

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    You're assuming AI "think" "logically".

    Well, maybe you aren't, but the AI companies sure hope we do

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

    Absolutely not, I'm still just scratching my head at how something like this is allowed to happen.

    Has any human ever said that they're worried about their car getting dirtied on the way to the carwash? Maybe I could see someone arguing against getting a carwash, citing it getting dirty on the way home — but on the way there?

    Like you would think it wouldn't have the basis to even put those words together that way — should I see this as a hallucination?

    Granted, I would never ask an AI a question like this — it seems very far outside of potential use cases for it (for me).

    Edit: oh, I guess it could have been said by a person in a sarcastic sense

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    you understand the context, and can implicitly understand the need to drive to the car wash', but these glorified auto-complete machines will latch on to the "should I walk there" and the small distance quantity. It even seems to parrot words about not wanting to drive after having your car washed. There's no 'thinking' about the whole thought, and apparently no logical linking of two separate ideas

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  • [–] 66 points 8 months ago (21 children)

    The most common pushback on the car wash test: "Humans would fail this too."

    Fair point. We didn't have data either way. So we partnered with Rapidata to find out. They ran the exact same question with the same forced choice between "drive" and "walk," no additional context, past 10,000 real people through their human feedback platform.

    71.5% said drive.

    So people do better than most AI models. Yay. But seriously, almost 3 in 10 people get this wrong‽‽

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  • [–] 41 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    It is an online poll. You also have to consider that some people don't care/want to be funny, and so either choose randomly, or choose the most nonsensical answer.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    I wonder... If humans were all super serious, direct, and not funny, would LLMs trained on their stolen data actually function as intended? Maybe. But such people do not use LLMs.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (14 children)

    Without reading the article, the title just says wash the car.

    I could go for a walk and wash my car in my driveway.

    Reading the article... That is exactly the question asked. It is a very ambiguous question.

    *I do understand the intent of the question, but it could be phrased more clearly.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Without reading the article, the title just says wash the car.

    No it doesn't? It says:

    I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?

    In which world is that an ambiguous question?

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Where is the car?

    This is the exact question a person would ask when they to have a gotcha answer. Nobody would ask this question, which makes it suspect to a straight forward answer.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    That's a very good point! For that matter the car could still be at the bar where I got drunk and took an uber home last night. In which case walking or driving would both be stupid.

    Or perhaps I'm in a wheelchair, in which case I wouldn't really be 'walking'.

    Or maybe the car wash that is 50 meters away is no longer operating, so even if I walked or drove there, I still wouldn't be able to walk my car.

    Is the car wash self serve or one of the automatic ones? If it's self serve what type of currency does it take? Does it only take coins or does it take card as well? If it takes coins, is there a change machine out front? Does the change machine take card or only bills? Do I even have my wallet on me?

    There are so many details left out of this question that nobody could possibly fathom an answer!

    ..../s if it's not obvious

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (4 children)

    The reason why your /s is there is for the same reason the question made no sense.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I'm not sure I follow your logic. My /s is there because tone can be ambiguous within text. I don't think tone is relevant to the question. Do you think that a tone indicator would have made the question more clear?

    The point is that all the information is either present or implied in the question. You can spend all day nitpicking the ambiguity of questions all you want, but it doesn't get you anywhere. There comes a point where it gets exhaustive trying to preemptively cut off follow up questions and make clarifications.

    When you are in school and they give you a word problem such as "you have 10 apples and give 3 to your friend. How many do you have left?" It is generally agreed upon what the question is asking. It's intentionally obtuse to sit there and say the question is flawed because you may have misplaced some of your apples, or given some to another friend, or someone may have come and stolen some, or some may have started to rot and so you threw them out, or perhaps you miscounted and you didn't actually give 3 to your friend.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (2 children)

    The point is the question is never one you would actually ask anyone. It definitely is unlike the math question you presented.

    It isn't nitpicking. The weights and stats in the model would never have been trained on this, because nobody would ask it. Why would anyone ask "should I walk or drive" to get to a carwash?

    Any reasonable person should assume it is a trick question. Because of course there is a car there, do you really need to ask if it needs to be driven there?

    It almost comes off as a riddle, but isnt, so you get results about saving gas and getting excersise.

    I mean how many people know the answer to this:

    "A man leaves home, turns left three times, and returns home to find two masked people waiting for him. Who are they?"

    And yet AI will get it right, nearly instantly. Because the training data statistically leads to the correct answer.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    You're correct in that it is an odd question. But just because it is a question that isn't commonly asked doesn't mean that it's not one that can intuitively be solved.

    And the entire point is that AI would never be trained on it. That's how we are able to demonstrate the difference between AI and humans. For the longest while you could also ask AI how many 'r's are in the word strawberry. And it would get this wrong. Because people don't normally go around asking questions about occurrences of letters in words. So this wasn't in the training data. But if you ask the same question to a human, they're able to deduce the answer. Even though it is a peculiar question, and doesn't get asked often. The entire point is that the AI are able to parrot little tidbits that they've been trained on. Like being able to walk short distances, or the environmental impact of cars, etc. But they're not able to reason in the same way that a human can.

    And what do you mean of course the car is there? Under what circumstances would your car be sitting at a car wash, without you in it, unwashed, when you want to wash your car. This is such a ridiculous leap to make. Did you drive your car to the car wash, park it, and get out to walk 50 meters away? Did somebody else drive your car to the carwash without you and just leave it there? It makes no sense.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    It makes no sense.

    Makes about as much sense as asking should I walk or drive. That's the point, it is a senseless question.

    If am asking if I should walk or drive, one HAS to assume the car is already there. You didn't ask how to get the car there, so you certainly must be asking how I am going to get there.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    It is not. It says what I want to do, and where.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago*

    Understanding the intent of the question *and understanding why it could be interpreted differently *\and understanding why is it is a poorly phrased question:

    There are 3 sentences.

    I want to wash my car. No location or method is specified. No 'at the car wash'. No 'take my car to the car wash' . No 'take the car through the car wash'

    A car wash is this far. Is this an option? A question. A suggestion. A demand?

    Should I walk or drive? To do what? Wash the car? Ok. If the car wash is an option, that seems very far. But walking there seems silly. Since no method or location for washing the car was mentioned I could wash my own car.

    Do you see how this works?

    Yes, you can infer what was implied, but the question itself offers no certainty that what you infer is what it is actually implying.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Mentioning the car wash and washing the car plus the possibility of driving the car in the same context pretty much eliminates any ambiguity. All of the puzzle pieces are there already.

    I guess this is an uninteded autism test as well if this is not enough context for someone to understand the question.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

    Understanding the intent of the question *and understanding why it could be interpreted differently *\and understanding why is it is a poorly phrased question are not related to autism. (In my case)

    I want to wash my car. No location or method is specified. No 'at the car wash'. No 'take my car to the car wash' . No 'take the car through the car wash'

    A car wash is this far. Is this an option? A question. A suggestion. A demand?

    Should I walk or drive? To do what? Wash the car? Ok. If the car wash is an option, that seems very far. But walking there seems silly. Since no method or location for washing the car was mentioned I could wash my own car.

    Do you see how this works?

    Yes, you can infer what was implied, but the question itself offers no certainty that what you infer is what it is actually implying.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Look, human conversations are full of context deduction and inference. In this case "I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?" states my random desire, a possible solution and the question all in one context. None of these sentences make sense in isolation as you point out, but within the same frame they absolutely give you everything you need to answer the question of find alternatives if needed.

    Sorry for the random online stranger diagnosis but this is just such an excelent example of neurodivergent need for extreme clarity I couldn't help myself.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago*

    I agree that it should be able to infer the intent, but I stand by that it remain somewhat unclear and open to interpretation. Eg, If such language was used in a legal contract, it would not be enough to simply say, well, they should understand what I meant.

    The people doing this test, I'm sure, are not linguistic masters, nor legal scholars.

    There are lines of work where clarity is essential.

    And what if my question actually was asking, should I just go for a walk instead of driving that far?

    I know the answer. But as 30% demonstrated, clarity IS needed.

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