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[–] 86 points 8 months ago (1 child)

Not just that. Corporations increased their prices citing tariffs but I've feeling that those prices aren't going to go down now.

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  • [–] 61 points 8 months ago* (13 children)

    Same game as the 2008 economic crash. They could have bailed out the mortgage holders...but instead, they bailed out the lenders. The banks would have gotten paid either way, but instead of helping regular people...they just gave the money directly to the banks.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Good news is they learned from that, there will be no more bail outs.
    Not because they change the system. They didn't so this scam will repeat itself.
    They (and our EU vazal 'leaders') decided to create a bail-in law.
    Next time they can legally and instantly steal everything above a certain amount from everyone's account.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    They've been quietly bailing out banks for a while now. A notable recent one is when banks shorted silver a little while back and the price tripled instead of going down. They just learned they can't publicize it without making us serfs uppity.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    That's interesting, need to look that up. They sure kept it quiet, as I've never seen it reported on even 'alternative' media.
    They will have to tell us serfs when we inevitably get stuck with the bill.

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  • [+] -22 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    2008 didn‘t damage mortage holders, how did you get to this opinion? Banks were packaging bad credits with good ones an shifting those packages like hot potatoes between each other. Till it crashed.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    You don't remember them crashing the entire economy?

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  • [+] -15 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Yes. That’s a different case to todays case. People should‘ve been bailed out. Trump used his powers wrong and thus the paid tariffs have to be paid back to the importer. If the importer give this back to customers is a different question. Everybody should speak to Walmart et. al. about a this.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Because these companies have ALWAYS responded positively to consumers wishes, its why prices are so low and why we're in a golden age of national production, instead of paying companies to ship products from one country, where they're farmed, to another country to be processed, then another country to be packaged, and finally to their destination where they're sold.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    They were also offering sub-prime mortgages with extra long amortization terms to people who wouldn't have otherwise qualified for a mortgage. It was basically on-par with pay-day loan scams. That's what they were shifting around...the debts those people owed.

    They were all thrown under the bus, so the lenders could make fast cash selling that debt amongst themselves, and then get bailed out by the government when that debt collapsed.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Instead of giving the default money to banks they could have given it to the "bad credit" mortgage holders, who could have used it to pay their mortgages. The money still goes to banks but people get houses too.

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago

    And, prices won’t go back down.

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago

    Remember:

    Socialism for corporations, austerity for the working class.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I'm sure the DoJ will fine all those corporations for ... let me just check my notes here for an amount ...

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago

    Trumponomics 101

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    its okay , they'll blame it on the immigrants

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    And as always even in the once in a blue moon they criticize their own policies, they're only crying about them getting screwed over, not the people in other countries getting 10x screwed over.

    Yeah I totally feel bad for you Mr. American. I'm supposed to ignore what you did to me or my own countryfolk because obviously you're more important than us.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago*

    I just saw a political advertisement in Germany saying, "don't throw out your money, use it in front of your own door" (it's partly a saying, doesn't translate perfectly), implying that if you use your money for other's benefit, it is wasted.

    People are selfish

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Yep, it won’t be forgotten, that’s for sure.

    Individuals among them will piss and moan ‘it wasn’t me’, ‘I didn’t vote for this’, ‘as an American I support (insert target nation here) but collectively this is on them, their apathy and selfishness.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    All part of the American Scheme. Plus deadbeat Don will keep any refunds as tribute for the wonderful times he's delivering for corporations. Small busines? Pfft. You're on your own. But thanks for the cash consumer.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    taxes

    robbed

    :-/ Libertarianism is the last refuge of scoundrels

    refunds are going back to corporations

    Furious Trump signs global 10% duty after supreme court issues tariff blow

    Trump said he would immediately sign an order increasing tariffs globally by 10% under section 122 of the Trade Act of 1974 and will begin investigations of unfair trade practices allowing further tariffs. He asserted that he had the authority to impose additional tariffs under existing statutes without congressional approval.

    ...

    Section 122 has never been used, and therefore courts have had no occasion to interpret its language. Some news reports have noted this provision appears to authorize the President to impose across-the-board tariffs on imports in some circumstances.”

    I'm not seeing anything in here about when refunds are going out. Much the opposite.

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  • [–] 38 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    So the Supreme Court ruled the previous tariffs were illegal. The importers are then able to attempt to get restitution for the tariffs that were collected since they went into effect, it will likely be a convoluted process, but the paid them, and thus are able to get them back.

    Meanwhile the prices were raised downstream and the citizens pay them, and won’t see a cent.

    Now there are likely to be new 10% tariffs across the board, possibly result in another round of price hikes for the consumers! Ah, America! 🇺🇸what a crap hole

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    The importers are then able to attempt to get restitution

    They can certainly try. Idk how long they'll need to wait before the Treasury starts cutting rebate checks.

    Meanwhile the prices were raised downstream

    The tariff rates far exceeded the inflation rate. And inflation has been driven by a host of non-tariff factors - AI driven chip shortages, supply chain disruptions at the Suez and the Panama canal, labor shortages driven by our pogrom against migrants.

    Trump policy is shit. But it isn't exclusively bound up in the tariffs. If anything, his tariff policies seem to be his least disastrous, as there's been some degree of insourcing as a result

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    The companies couldn't afford the tariffs in the first place so took on massive debt then Howard Nutlick's sons who are in charge of a company that he previously ran offered to buy up tariff rebates for pennies on the dollar from those companies

    Companies took those pennies on the dollar to pay down the debts that they had to take on for the tariffs but now Nutlick's sons will get the tariff rebate of not the company.

    https://www.newsweek.com/howard-lutnick-sons-may-make-money-supreme-court-ruling-tariffs-11558345

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    I fucking owed this time around. I didn't even get a fucking refund. The rich get richer ffs

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    Win,win, for the rich again, I guess.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    They were talking on the news about Australian exporters being due refunds for this, but didn’t really get why as they would simply have passed on the costs.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    We need a fucking fire.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Oh, thar actually makes so much more sense. Another way to simulate growth.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    What? The corporations aren't getting the tariff refunds. Because they already took a payout of 20-30% of the value of the refund from speculators, like the Commerce Secretary's son Brandon Lutnick, who will be getting the tariff refund.

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  • [+] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Uh and during that time that these gracious corporations dealt with tariffs prices didn't go up at all, right? Right?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I appreciate your optimism unfortunately I don't share it. The companies in America are literally destroying the country while while profits are soaring. You don't have to look hard to find examples where one hand espouses all the good they are doing for Americans while the other hand undermines the very people they claim to care about. I bet there are some alteristic companies out there but none of the top ones.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    But they're the Job Creators! /s

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  • [–] -4 points 8 months ago (1 child)