Even a dermal regenerator is going to leave scars with that burn

Are these people even watching the show?

Honestly? I have to assume not. I think they watch YouTube ""reviews"" of the show instead. At best, I'm sure some of them have it on in the background while they scroll rage bait on their phones.

I think that casual attitude makes sense for someone who has been around for hundred’s of years.

I think it makes sense too, but even if she was only in her 60s... who the hell cares? She gets the job done, she has the respect of her crew, again, who the hell cares? The fact that male characters (who aren't 800 years old mind you) are seldom criticized for doing the same thing should tell you all you need to know.

It's pretty stupid to pick on Holly Hunter for her trademark.

SNW is a good balance. Discovery on the other hand, was way too emotional for me. Where is STSA on the crying-every-other-scene scale?

IMO "woke" is a red herring when it comes to criticism of newer star trek. Some people hate things for this reason, but it obscues a more interesting discussion.

The real dimensions of value are the writing, the vision, what each series considers "action", etc. I think it's a distinction between what you'd expect from a Star Trek movie and a Star Trek TV show. They're for different audiences, and I think Discovery, STA are going for a much wider market appeal (in varying degrees) and it changes the narrative structure, pacing, etc. I think they're exploring the audience space with variations on Star Trek themes to grow the francise, and sometimes it's to the detriment of what some people like about Star Trek - and sometimes it brings in new people.

I like Star Trek to be ethics porn about IDIC being more powerful than raw power. About the value of an education, team work, structure, and trust. I like it when the most tense action scene is a walk down a hallway - but I also like a bit of space pew pew sometimes. The new shows alienate me when they focus too much on physical action, individual exceptionalism, and a grimdark future.

I dont like DIS because it does not feel very trek to me with the ugly klingons and the overall dark stories and characters. Also (like PIC) its very storyline so i cant really just jump into an episode and be happy (or unhappy, whatever story the episode is)            

On the other side i think SNW is what should have been the first series after the pause after ENT. Its hopeful, most episodes can be watched alone and it still has a background story like VOY. And like every trek its woke.

I think that PIC would have gotten a similar (smaller?) shitstorm compared to DIS if that was the first after the pause. LD maybe too but less for the quality and more because its animated. And PRO for feeling more nicelodeon than trek (or rather a mix)              

If DIS came just later than others it would have probably been either more liked or at least ignored like a lot ignore PIC or Short Treks

snw is actually quite less "woke" than STD, std has all no-men crew by season 4, it was pretty obvious, and the lgbtq+ people have largely been marginalized by that time too, after they served a purpose in season 1.

i think by SNW they realized how bad some of the characthers and how they are overly pushed as the leads.

I think the series with the worst long lasting impact is Voyager. VOY Borg are really bad compared to TNG Borg. PRO uses TNG Borg, which is great, but LDS suffers for its VOY Borg and I heard PIC stinks because it makes VOY Borg the main villains.

Ironically my biggest issue with Discovery is that it's pretty right-wing with its CIA stand-in apologia and blatantly militaristic style in Seasons 1 and 2 at least.

That and the sheer degree of melodrama. Every episode needs to have scenes of at least one or two characters in total anguish. It just wears me down compared to other Treks. For a streaming-era show, it's not all that bingeable

it is also the series that had to define what Trek was in current times. It took it a few seasons and the later shows used a lot of that lessons. it might had a lot of problems, but I dont think it was for a lack of trying.

There’s just no objectivity anymore. Everything is subjective so if you don’t like it you’re just a hater. Despite the fact the actual writing has been god awful for most of the revival era since Disco

How old do you have to be to stop swallowing your comm badge? Aren't they all adults in the show?

I thought the captain was the one that supposed to teach them how to do the job? Why is she acting like a teenager? How are they supposed to learn how to stop acting like teenagers and take their jobs seriously if the captain is acting this way too?

Yeah it's just a show, but characters in a show should be acting as if the world they're in is real. It breaks immersion when they don't.

There's a general fear of being genuine with characters in a lot of shows and movies, and it's gotten really old. It's really cringey at this point.

It would be nice to have a show about people on a spaceship acting like people that are really on a spaceship that have serious jobs. It's boring to have yet another show where it's just people acting like youtube influencers on some spaceship sets. People that actually like vapid youtube influencers will only just watch clips from these shows, so what's the point of trying to appeal to that crowd?

That's when I cashed in my mental chips.

Making a show about that would be genuine. Making a show about spaceship needs to portray a functioning spaceship. If it doesn't care about the functioning of the spaceship, it's just some actors on a set. Why bother with the spaceship set at all if everyone has to accept everything about everyone, even if it negatively impacts their ability to do their job?

One of the most interesting episodes of TNG was when Jellico was temporarily assigned as Captain of the Enterprise. He had a real hard ass leadership style, Riker didn't like it and was confined to quarters, nobody liked him. Given it's Star Trek, you assume that it's going to turn out he was evil. But nope, he accomplished the mission Picard came back and resumed being captain. Leaving the audience with the question, was Jellico the asshole, or was Riker the asshole.

There were a few episodes where Data was in command and he wasn't respected because he's an android.

The thing about having a show about a future where everyone is accepting of one another and there is no interpersonal conflict is that is boring as hell. Considering the responsibilities of command, having interpersonal conflicts makes things interesting. Having a captain that acts like a teenager and everyone is cool with it, and the audience need to be cool with it because that's just how things are in the future is incredibly boring.

And the show may take place in the future, but the audience lives in the present day. The ship needs to function in a way that someone grounded in how ships function in the present day, otherwise how are we supposed to know when the captain has crossed the line and when the captain is doing things that are normal for a captain to do?

On the contrary it is a big deal, it makes Ake extremely endearing and likeable.

I don't even know the premise for the show... If the captain of a flagship was lounging in the chair, I would lose lock pretty fast. Apparently this is an academy and she is more like a professor?