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[–] 16 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Get ready folks, shits about to hit the fan.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    Let me put this as delicately as I can… ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND??

    We had a civil war. It cost the United States 10% of its total population. If we have a repeat of that, kiss 35 MILLION of your friends and neighbors goodbye, because they're fucking dead.

    But we don't have nice neat battle lines and territory back and forth like we did back then. It isn't gonna look like Gettysburg. It's gonna look like Somalia. Power and sometimes water, and certainly trucks and trains that deliver the stuff people like you and me need to live pass through red districts. They're gonna turn off the utilities. They're going to block the trucks and trains. We in turn are going to break the lines of communications. The We's and the They's are gonna all arm up in whatever tactical gear we can get our hands on like those ICE fuckers are wearing now, and we're gonna patrol our borders in our isolated little pockets for anyone trying to cross who don't belong. People will get through, saboteurs, raids…

    I'd say we're lucky if we lose only 120 million or so people. It's gonna be a lot more of us than it will be of them, I promise you. But ultimately it's not going to matter because there's gonna be a lot of starving and dying and killing, if things go the way you want. And the two sides will probably wind up with roughly equal numbers fighting over the scraps of America for a decade or longer.

    This by you is "good"? I hope you deposit a reality check and pretty damned quick, because we need to stop this shit before we get there, if we can. I don't know if we can, honestly, but we really need to fucking try.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Everything you said is correct, and yet we still come to a different conclusion.

    We're going to lose 120M+ if we do nothing. And we'll lose 120M+ if we act.

    The issue is the former let's them win.

    You yourself said, "if we can". You yourself said "I don't know if we can". The difference is that I've accepted we can't and we can't.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    More and more I believe we can and we will. Trump is getting more and more erratic and desperate. Things are falling apart for him. The question now is how many people die before it happens. I think it'll be less than 120M more than if we do it your way. I think the odds of a less bad outcome are higher with my conclusion by a lot. And has a less risky outcome.

    What doesn't exist at this point is a "good" outcome. That shim sailed November 2024. People are already dying. A lot of them. We'll eventually find out how many the concentration camps have killed. No good outcome.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    I've got a bad feeling about this.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Just decline the invitation.

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    [–] 94 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    Per the Constitution, the executive branch of the federal government has no fucking business being involved in elections. We can only hope our state elections offices hold to that.

    Article I, Section 4, Clause 1:

    The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

    By its terms, Article I, Section 4, Clause 1, referred to as the Elections Clause, contemplates that state legislatures will establish the times, places, and manner of holding elections for the House of Representatives and the Senate, subject to Congress making or altering such state regulations (except as to the place of choosing Senators).1 The Supreme Court has interpreted the Elections Clause expansively, enabling states "to provide a complete code for congressional elections, not only as to times and places, but in relation to notices, registration, supervision of voting, protection of voters, prevention of fraud and corrupt practices, counting of votes, duties of inspectors and canvassers, and making and publication of election returns."

    https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S4-C1-2/ALDE_00013577/

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  • [–] 34 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    hope

    They aren’t and Americans need to stop hoping.

    They need to go on general shutdown. The sooner, the better and easier.

    They’re not getting fair midterm elections or any other fair election.

    Just do the right thing. All other options are exhausted.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (7 children)

    I think all that needs to happen is make ballot drop offs easier and common in states targeted. They can try whatever they want but you can block off ICE from accessing ballot boxes fairly easily by locating them in places where a warrant would be needed to get inside. We will see if its possible to get feds to simultaneously rig 20-30 elections so they'll need to find enough people to participate in state crimes that carry multi year penalties and generally are prosecuted.

    The big fix is going to be they'll probably try to "update" all the voting machines for "security reasons" before the election so states need to be ready to do immediate hand recounts.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    ICE won’t care about warrants. They’ll go in without them. They have Trumps blessing and that’s enough.

    The voting machines will absolutely be or already have been fucked with. Using those alone is insane enough. Of course privately owned voting machines in the US will be tampered with, that’s part of the point of using them with the other part being money.

    The best solution might in fact be a reboot. The only thing that will fix this is public action because it won’t shrivel and die over time. I think that’s what their citizens are hoping for while hoping their military go pick on other countries for a while, leaving them alone.

    God I’m sick of their shit, I really am. Just do the right fucking thing.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    Splitting into more than one nation. Societal breakdown then a rebuilding of the current one.

    They seem intent on repeatedly doing the hardest, worst things in its current status.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Can you point to a historical situation that resolved like that?

    Like that seems like what will happen if they are unnopposed entirely. That is the goal of the billionaire class right now: rebuild everything according to their vision. That is all in line with the billionaire worldview.

    Historically, things can and will absolutely get worse.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Can you point to…

    I suppose Slovakia and the Czech Republic might be an example, if you’re talking about splitting and going forward.

    Not really though, because this set of circumstances is unique. The US is where it’s at because of indulgence, laziness and selfishness. Germany isn’t a suitable comparison because it was oppressed and downtrodden by outside forces and breakdown from a war. The US is where it’s at because its people haven’t wanted, over a period of time to do certain things like vote.

    I agree, things will get worse because what Churchill said is spot on…Americans will exhaust every option before doing the right thing. Right now the right and easiest thing is to go peaceful shutdown. It’s price is far higher than voting, but lower than civil war, demonstrating Churchill words in action. The sooner it’s done, the lower the cost.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago*

    The drop boxes are already curtailed in a lot of red controlled states, be they battleground or no, like GA, WI, and AZ. Some of them also have given the ability to hand electors for president to the loser of the popular vote as their state legislatures determine by the way, per 2021 voter laws that got almost zero coverage in the media.

    Remember when the media told you they made it illegal to hand out water or food to voters waiting in line in GA? That same bill cancelled the supremacy of the popular vote, and media didn't tell us, it would be hard even finding the information on the enshitified search engines now I'm sure, but it will come up again in 2028 if democrats get anywhere close to winning the popular votes in battleground states.

    Anyway though, they are already reduced to like 1 per county in some places, the drop boxes. Plus they are susceptible to being like seized and not counted, as the republicans have made clear to their voters to vote in person. Plus they just don't count as many as possible from blue districts, it's a numbers game.

    Drop boxes will not get us out of this mess, even if they were kept safe, and not guarded by dudes with guns hassling people dropping off ballots and filming them.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    By its terms, Article I, Section 4, Clause 1, referred to as the Elections Clause, contemplates that state legislatures will establish

    That word "contemplates" bothers me. That's the kind of weasely word that someone like Stephen "PeeWee Himmler" Miller would seize on and parse all the way to Hell, with every mouthpiece in the Conservative Propaganda Machine trailing right behind him.

    MAGA will claim that it means we should think about and consider allowing states to establish their own election systems, but it doesn't necessarily say that the decision is made. Contemplates means to think about, meditate on, consider deeply, etc. It doesn't sound like a certainty. At least, MAGA isn't going to think so.

    And MAGA will be willing to fight that fight for as many elections as you want to fight them on it. Until we crush MAGA mercilessly, and purge them from our government and our society.

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  • [–] 31 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    It will get worse unless Americans are going to take direct action. No elected official cares.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I'm curious, have you been to America since January 2025?

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I live there, so you could say that

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    [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Welp, democracy was sure nice while it lasted. Good run, folks.

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