all 16 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] 97 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

Hi,
We have thought about this but we opted out, since we do not see all too much benefit from our side. Handheld stuff is not our major focus. Also, we had some concerns that this could get a "burocractic loophole", which seemd to be more or less true so far.
Additionally, to us all this "initiative" locked like an emergency rushed thing, so that Bazzite finds new kernel maintainers and for other technical stuff after kicking the maintainer, which basically made most integration work for them
We neither want to be associated with "Playtron" too. There are more reasons, but Ill keep them out of the public

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 60 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    The main reason is that OGC looks like a sideways stick figure having a wank.

  • source
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Yeah, the whole situation with OGC and Bazzite is rather messy. From my understanding, you have conflicting accounts from two parties: one is from Bazzite and OGC, i.e. Kyle Gospodnetich and the other from Antheas Kapenekakis, the developer of the Handheld Daemon, a tool for configuring handheld devices that Bazzite uses (for now). Antheas' account can be read here.

    From what I understand, there was an internal conflict between Antheas and another Bazzite developer (not Kyle), which caused a rift in the team. At the time Antheas was the one in talks with GPD to port HHD to one of their devices. The team was not aware of this and during this time, Antheas was removed from the team. Then, not being aware of the situation at Bazzite, GDP announced the collab and the Bazzite team, was of course unaware of the talks between Antheas and GDP, which is why they denied the whole thing.

    Personally, I'm going to stop updating Bazzite for a while and see how this shakes out, because if Antheas' account is to be believed, the other Bazzite developer mentioned above, Derek J. Clark, is ripping stuff out of Bazzite, including HHD in favor of his own implementation Inputplumber, which is allegedly already causing weird stuff to happen like wifi no longer working on some devices.

    On the other hand, I'm hesitant to believe everything Antheas said in his blog, because I simply don't know the guy and also, there's also some sketchy stuff in there like mentioning Derek's Inputplumber implementation being "fundamentally flawed" and not even attempting to explain why. If you're going to label someone's work as such, then I feel at least a cursory explanation why is in order. The other is "apologising on behalf of Kyle" and apologising in someone else's name never sat well with me.

  • source
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Sound like the typical "newish and relatively small project that hasn't figured out their organisational structure yet" problem

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Maybe. I'm leaning more towards the typical "letting developer toxicity run rampant" situation:

    https://xcancel.com/SapphoSys/status/1999133657760673942

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I was reading through the conversations (Screenshots) in the link. And based in what is provider there I do not see a problematic statement by antheas (or how he is called). Maybe more context is needed?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    I feel it's a red flag that you don't find the blatantly transphobic slur a "problematic statement", let alone the belittlement of other project members and defense of "abusing" people, as he put it. Not to mention he's been banned from other projects for violating their codes of conduct.

    These screenshots don't do justice to his aggressive behavior and mistreatment of other project maintainers, including his own team.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Can you help me out and point me to the transphobic slur in the linker Screenshots? Maybe i do not get "the slang" because Kam not actually familiar with it.

    OK, if it is not within the linked Screenshots then it is lacking context for me. Thats why I asked for mode context. To better understand.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Isn't CachyOS more of a general purpose distro anyway?

    I expected the OGC was mainly targeted to gaming-first distros, which in my mind are meant for an entirely different kind of devices with different interests and goals. I don't think there should be much value in CachyOS joining it, regardless.

  • source
  • 5 comments in c/linux@programming.dev view that post
    [–] 26 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    We have thought about this but we opted out, since we do not see all too much benefit from our side. Handheld stuff is not our major focus. Also, we had some concerns that this could get a "burocractic loophole", which seemd to be more or less true so far.

    Additionally, to us all this "initiative" locked like an emergency rushed thing, so that Bazzite finds new kernel maintainers and for other technical stuff after kicking the maintainer, which basically made most integration work for them

    We neither want to be associated with "Playtron" too. There are more reasons, but Ill keep them out of the public

    There could be theoretically a benefit in terms of specific patches for handheld devices. Antheas made there a really good job in creating and finding the proper patches, but since the person is not in Bazzite anymore and the rest seem not to have their experience.

    Weve been working together with ChimeraOS and asus-linux since more then a year. Much testing and integration from inputplumber came from the CachyOS Handheld Edition too! :) I dont think for that a collective with strings attached is needed.

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    just for the uninatiated, playtron's ceo/founder is kirt mcmaster, this person was pointed responsible for the downfall of cyanogen

    as for my opinion, i think its fair for them to be somewhat skeptical with this just by that.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Well, fuck. I just learned about this drama, and it doesn't seem very positive for Bazzite's future. What is it about Discord servers that turns adults into spoiled brats? Idk whether Antheas' version of events are 100% truthful, but he's at least one point about some of the questionable changes recently, and I've seen some power tripping from the Bazzite devs wrt Ptyxis and Bazaar.

    Luckily, since it's ostree based I can switch back to eg Fedora Kinoite with a single command if things get too bad. It would be a real shame if Bazzite died though, as it's one of the best out of the box experiences for gaming PCs/handhelds. For now, I'm sticking with it.

  • source
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Oh wow I was not aware of the drama behind Bazzite.

    Years ago I installed manjaro and I want to rebuild the system soon, I use that computer for gaming so Bazzite seemed the most suited to that, but when I tried it in a VM it gave me the feeling of being unpolished compared to Kinoite (the documentation of how to use fedora silverblue is excellent, and bazzite deviates quite a bit from that and adds a lot of custom tools and utilities).

    I think I'll go with Kinoite after reading this, hoping that it works relatively well on nvidia...

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    https://retrohandhelds.gg/gpds-bazzite-fiasco-bad-timing-worse-communication/

    Antheas was removed from the bazzite project:

    The Bazzite team later confirmed GPD wasn’t at fault and that Antheas had been removed by “an overwhelming majority vote” for ongoing conduct issues. Antheas wrote their own version of events, available for your reading pleasure here, if you really enjoy open-source melodrama.

    So maybe take his writeup with a grain of salt.
    Not saying that it's false, or that it's not a complex issue, but none of us were in the room so who's to say one way or the other.

  • source
  • parent
  • 4 comments in c/gaming@lemmy.zip view that post
    [+] -10 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Always has to be a group who sees the negative in it

  • source
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    It would be stupid to ignore the negatives just to chase a perceived positive. The guy made a lot of valid points for not wanting to join. Once the collective has proven it can do what it set out to do without the downsides then maybe they will reevaluate joining.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [+] -14 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Same energy as the person who shows up late for the group project after all the work has already been done

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • 2 comments in c/cachyos@sopuli.xyz view that post
    [–] 11 points 9 months ago*

    We have thought about this but we opted out, since we do not see all too much benefit from our side. Handheld stuff is not our major focus. Also, we had some concerns that this could get a "burocractic loophole", which seemd to be more or less true so far.

    Additionally, to us all this "initiative" locked like an emergency rushed thing, so that Bazzite finds new kernel maintainers and for other technical stuff after kicking the maintainer, which basically made most integration work for them

    We neither want to be associated with "Playtron" too. There are more reasons, but Ill keep them out of the public

  • source
  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    Well that answered my question quickly lol

  • source