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[–] 13 points 9 months ago*

Or perhaps the problem is just the dated US election and governmental system as a whole that is intrinsically less democratic than most of the remaining monarchies are by now?

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  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago (19 children)

    Would things be great under Democrats? No. Would things be NOT ENTIRELY THIS FUCKED right now? Fucking yes. There's such a thing as progressing and we are not getting that by withholding votes and letting the literal Nazi side have full power

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    Democrats just approved continued ICE funding. So clearly this is what they want

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    All the Republicans and a handful of Democrats. So it's obviously the D who are worse and to blame. #MurcsLaw

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    You still haven't caught onto the rotating villain shit? I'm old enough to remember when it was Joe Lieberman (who was a fuckin VP candidate lmao).

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    I can also remember Joe Lieberman the villian and Al Gore the pre-eminent inventor of the internet and hanging chads and all that fun. I also developed a cool skill called appreciation for nuance which let's me see that having a break away group is still better than wholesale support of roving gestapo in major cities. Luckily, that's a thing we now have thanks in part to the "both sides are the same" heroic lefty crowd. I would even consider myself a lefty person except I can get my old ass up of the couch to vote once year and protest even a few more times.

    The couch troglodytes of this com who post memes like this are lucky to have nothing to lose. You can rotate villains in a party, but that's still way better than a whole party of villains.

    Maybe you can check your old ass perspective.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Where is the condemnation from Democratic leadership for those individuals? This is what the Democrats want, they just want it to be done in a quieter manner.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    It is thr joh of the democratic party to resist this. If they cant even get their own people to resist, it is either incompetence or it is willful and purposeful.

    In either case, they are failures and should not be voted for until they actually fight for the people

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    There's such a thing as progressing

    Which we don’t fucking get with democrats. At best, we get the status quo. At worst, we get Nazi collaboration, which is what the current democrat party is. Nazi collaborators.

    Shut the fuck up with this lesser of two evils bullshit. The democrats are fascists as well, they just aren’t honest about it like the republicans are.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Got any evidence of that happening?

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (20 children)

    This is the system you have. If you don’t vote you’re part of the problem

    Only voting you can ask to elected people to change things. Maybe ranked elections would allow more parties and candidates

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    If it's obvious how FPTP works, then the candidates who play dumb about ranked voting actually support fascism.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Those are our choices, Liberal Fascists or Fascist Liberals. At least until the left can win a lot more primaries.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    It's no accident that the fascist primaries are also FPTP. There will always be an Elizabeth Warren when they want one.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Only [by] voting you can ask to elected people to change things.

    How about we replace that system with one where we don't have to ask nicely to change things for the better?

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    What system accomplishes that?

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    A council democracy, for example. Or a federated commune of communes.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (3 children)

    So, add a recall election mechanism and let everything else play out the same?

    Because most parts of the US would probably reelect the same candidate if an election was held tomorrow (literally the standard polling question).

    Renaming things doesn't make them work better.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    So, add a recall election mechanism and let everything else play out the same?

    No, that's not what I said. I want to abolish rulers completely.

    Council democracy isn't based on electoral parliament, but on general assemblies.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    I'm all about a federated commune of communes, seriously, but at scale how is that really much different? You can't have billions of people living on the planet, or hundreds of millions in a country, without some kind of coordination. It's not practical for millions of people to vote on every little detail, you've still got to have focused representatives to, at minimum, collect information into policy that can be voted on in the first place.

    Really the only two options, barring authoritarianism, are direct democracy or some kind of elected representatives. Direct democracy doesn't really work for most considerable topics (agricultural production, electric grid installation, hospital equipment, etc.). Even if people knew enough about the subject to make informed decisions, most people won't bother engaging. So we're inevitably left with some kind of representative democracy, councils don't really eliminate the fact of electing representatives, or the consequences when certain demographics over or underperform at the polls.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Voting does little to nothing compared to actual working class organization. Ranked choice doesn't change the calculus that the parties allowed by the capitalist system support it and protect it from the left.

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  • [+] -6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah this mentality elected Trump when many lefties refused to vote. Maybe you have gone last chance on midterms, maybe it’s too late and the system will only make the controlling party to win. Not sure. But if people refuse to vote, I don’t think they ever have the chance.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    If lefties refusing to vote for genocide actually meaningfully steered the election, then it's the fault of the DNC for running on a pro-genocide platform and alienating lefties. No, the DNC doesn't represent the working classes in any capacity, neither does the GOP. With or without midterms or a general election, revolution has always been necessary, and that will not change.

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  • [–] -4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    You don’t get it. Lefties didn’t vote and helped to speed up and increase the genocide. They helped the plan a lot by not voting and their hands has blood too, they can lie to themselves when they “washed their hands” but they had a choice and they prefer to let MAGA choose for them.

    MAGA is voting, like it or not, and not voting only help them

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    The DNC would not have stopped the genocide, they have consistently funded and supplied it. Further, even if the DNC lost because Leftists sat out (which there's no evidence that this is the case), it means the DNC ran a pro-genocide campaign and alienated a vital voting bloc in doing so.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago*

    I don't care. The opinions of liberals means very little to me.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Watch out everyone, OP has been manipulated by the Democrats into spreading their propaganda for them.

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