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[–] 52 points 9 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago* (11 children)

    Libs vs tankies is just another distraction by the owner class to keep us divided... so tired of these memes on lemmy....

    We are all working class

    There is no war but class war

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  • [+] 23 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I think what the commenter above is trying to say is that they are getting tired of seeing Lemmy users pointing fingers at each other. Most of us are clearly passionate about FOSS and hate capitalism. Otherwise, why would we have joined Lemmy?

    All these "tankies" and "libs" have lost all meaning. Many times, I've seen people simply make up shit from both sides about what libs/tankies think, and then just make fun of it. It's not productive.

    I'm not talking about you. I think your replies are very reasonable. But I think I can relate to the commenter's feelings.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Libs politics are in support of capitalism. Put another way, those politics stand in the way of working class liberation. There isn't a compromise here, we have to drive out all the pro-capitalist notions in the minds of the working class.

    Is this meme the propaganda for achieving that? Maybe not. But the sentiment that liberal politics are right wing is correct and you won't find a single socialist worth their salt who disagrees with that.

    We will organize among working class people with backwards ideas and a lack of understanding at times, but we NEVER promote or work with liberal politicians or parties.

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  • [+] -7 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    sure but on this server, socialists, anarchists and other leftists are regularly called libs by some if they say negative things about China or Stalin or whatever. It's really not used herr to talk about proponents of liberal capitalism anymore. Kinda lost its meaning

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    You can make criticisms of both. Just actually talk from a place of knowing what you are talking about when you do it.

    While I'm not a leftcom, Bordiga is probably one of the more solid critics of Stalin. I disagree with Bordiga's criticism, but I can track and understand where he was coming from because he very clearly actually did the reading.

    What I don't always respond kindly to, is someone going "14 kajillion dead, worse than hitler, authoritarian".

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago

    I sort of agree with you but if liberals acknowledged and understood class alignment, they wouldn't be liberals. I do think that the "opportunity for education" approach is more effective than outright hostility.

    I find that online interactions about complicated topics can be quite frustrating, since snark and "dunking" trend to prevail. This is driven by corporate social media and spills over into other online interactions.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago

    Liberalism is the ideology of the ruling capitalist class, and supports their "freedom" to extract surplus value from wage workers.

    It has many defenders (a few even among the working class!), just like feudalism / monarchism had some peasant-class defenders.

    Anyways the class contradictions between workers and capitalists are irreconcilable, are there is no sense trying to "unite" with our exploiters and class enemies.

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