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[–] 193 points 9 months ago (2 children)

From the Wikipedia page

A newspaper account at the time suggested that Seneca Village would "not be forgotten"

Then later

The settlement was largely forgotten for more than a century after its demolition.

Also just kinda interesting that one of the residents was named Edward Snowden.

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  • [+] 257 points 9 months ago* (21 children)
  • [–] 90 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    And Los Angeles building the Santa Monica Freeway.

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  • [–] 68 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    And St. Paul, MN for interstate 94.

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  • [–] 35 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    Halifax, Nova Scotia. Demolished a black community for a bridge.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africville

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  • [–] 42 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    The reason traffic is so bad out to Jones Beach on Long Island is because they built the roads so buses couldn't go. Black people rarely had cars at the time.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    There’s a really good Behind the Bastards about the guy who made those decisions. Can’t remember his name.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Law_Olmsted

    This dude?

    Btw just discovered behind the bastards by delving into L Rom Hubbard. Hilarious.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    No, Olmsted was a landscape architect (also did Biltmore in NC). The state or city parks commissioner who did it. Can’t remember his name. He also explicitly didn’t leave room for future light rail expansion when they build the LIE, or some other expressway. Been awhile since I lostened to that one.

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  • [–] 96 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    Where I live they ran an interstate highway right through where the black business district was. Ripped through the middle of town. I hate that highway so much, they keep adding lanes too. Fucking racist twats and the effects reverberate to this day, no transit just more lanes because of handshake agreements between good ol' boys in the 1960s.

    "Nothing changes, even when it wants to" Hayes Carll

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    This is part of what's called redlining.

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    To offer a refinement, if I can, redlining is adjacent to this highway abuse, so, easy to join them; same racially driven bastardry, different technique.

    Redlining was a real estate / financial tool that kept certain homes on a map from having access to resources. Sort of like financial gerrymandering. It's kinda cool, in a privileged way, to see a city's ghetto map and a redlined map overlaid; there is little difference.

    Anyway, I couldn't find a term for this neighborhood wrecking highway practice, but did find this article that goes into detail and links the book Dividing by Design.

    The Roads That Tear Communities Apart https://share.google/6G6B8K9VNck1Cb0ZW

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    One more: I thought redlining also conveyed purposeful impediments to black home ownership, like in the refusal of mortgage applications.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)
    1. There were communities in suburbs built and federal funded that included racial exclusion provisions.

    Ayo Magwood has pulled together a great amount of information about the topic. Recently, she seems to have shifted to economic inequality driving many of the issues that were once, like all the years before the last 5 or so, primarily racial.

    Structural Racism — Uprooting Inequity https://share.google/1A6sgjkI0UOwpFxeO

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  • [–] 84 points 9 months ago* (5 children)

    To add to y'all's reading list:

    Dulles Airport (the big international airport that serves Washington DC and Northern Virginia) did the same: https://travelnoire.com/town-destroyed-international-airport

    Also, maybe tangentially related, The Tulsa Race Massacre: https://www.okhistory.org/publications/enc/entry?entry=TU013

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  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Plus the interstate system specifically chose to go right through black neighborhoods if they could

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago

    This is what happened in Hartford CT. Fucking ugliest, shit city I've ever been to. They ruined the whole fucking city because, racism. I believe the highway was built sometime in the 50s/60s and it's still a plague on the city.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago*

    And let us not forget the Vanport flood, which the Portland authorities downplayed for decades and used as an excuse to pave over a vibrant community to make a raceway and a golf course. They only recently admitted that there was ‘some’ loss of life.

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  • [–] 75 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Holy fuck I was not prepared for the sheer amount of similar events described in the comments. It's is almost as if racist people are inferior human beings, unable to understand empathy. Hen and egg problem, I guess. But yeah, w.r.t. structural racism, a Zager & Evans verse comes to mind: "[..] or tear it down - and start again."

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    It's always been this way. Really dumb fucks ruin everything. And the meme of racism simply won't die as long as there are dumb, gullible shitheads that gobble it up. Humanity exists on a bell curve, and the smart enough people on the top end of the curve basically fight each other for the right to manipulate the idiots for their own selfishness. Racism is an easy meme and extremely virulent among religious. The actually smart people have better things to do and have no interest in all this stupid shit. Humanity is so fucking disappointing. A bunch of stupid fucking apes with nukes.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    [..] the smart enough people on the top end of the curve basically fight each other for the right to manipulate the idiots for their own selfishness. [..] The actually smart people have better things to do and have no interest in all this stupid shit.

    I was going to object to your first bit, but then you objected yourself. Did you notice the contradiction? :p

    I would argue that the people trying to manipulate others are not "the smart ones" but a certain level of intellect is the tool you need to act out your psychopathic/sociopathic tendencies, which are actually what triggers the desire to manipulate others.

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  • [–] 109 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Or Tulsa, where the whites were like “go make your own black town!” So they did, and prospered while the whites stayed poor. So the whites just straight up raped, pillaged and burned the black town and got away with it

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  • [–] 64 points 9 months ago

    Worse part of The Tulsa Race Massacre is it took fucking tv show for it to become widely known. My wife and ex wife grew up here never heard of it. Not fucking once had it been taught in schools. Now the local media talks about it constantly. But only because it had been exposed by the HBO show Watchman. Fucking racist fucks all around.

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  • [–] 108 points 9 months ago (1 child)
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    The Gateway Arch National Park in St. Louis was also a black community that got bulldozed. Unsurprisingly common

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  • [–] 47 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    Now look up the Tulsa Massacre

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  • [–] 33 points 9 months ago

    Once i learned about what they did I can't forget it and will always bring up to people when relevant. Fucking insane what they burned it to the ground because they couldn't stand successful black people. And not one person ever faced justice for this.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    I have family in Tulsa that had never heard of that until I brought it up when I learned about it a few years ago. Crazy shit man.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    I didn't learn about the Tulsa Massacre until the first Trump term. I'm over 50 years old.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago* (6 children)

    I watched the Watchmen TV series a couple years back (at age 40) and during the Tulsa massacre scene I was like "oh this takes place in an alternate history where the KKK won"

    Then next year in college I took a course in American History... oof.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

    I'm not American, but I also learned about it watching the Watchmen series, then Wikipedia. Wasn't that surprised, though. The only time I went to the USA some kids threw a heavy rock through our camping tent window while we, Mexican kids, were away. It didn't strike me like some kids mischief even at that time.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    There is an unfortunate anti-homeless sentiment in some parts of the US, where people will wreck camping tents on sight regardless of the occupants' skin color. I'm sorry you had to deal with such hateful behavior.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    It was at some Boy Scouts of America event.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Oh yeah, probably racism then. They have a history of it.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    Yes, sure. But as a kid you don't really grasp that. They are supposed to be like, at least, not racists. But I can't blame them, I guess it's in their culture.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    It is the culture. Adults indoctrinating hatred into their children. I was stained by it in my youth and had to do a lot of un-learning as I grew up. I'd blame the parents not the kids, but once those kids grow up they have the choice to decide what kind of people they want to be. Too many choose to stay hateful.

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  • [–] 44 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It's very similar to how a lot of Americans didn't know about the Tulsa Race Massacre until it was in The Watchmen.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre

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  • [–] 103 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    To be fair if highschool history covered every act of overtime racism and suppression committed by the US government there would be no time to cover anything else.

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  • [–] 59 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    It is common to the point where you can look at pretty much any major public improvement or monument in an American city and odds are pretty good that some black folks lived there before it got built. That is ALWAYS the property that needs to be "improved" by stuff like this. Like, "hey we turned this shitty black neighborhood into a big arch or a field of flowers, what an improvement!"

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago

    I'd like to point out that even when this isn't true, the "major public improvement" tends to border one, close enough that it gets cut off from the surroundings and goes into financial ruin causing others to look at the neighborhood a few years later and THEN decide its property that needs to be "improved" (gentrified)... To the point that the original inhabitants are priced out of their own family homes.

    One of those "whew, they dodged a bullet.. Of wait, they didn't" times that happens quite a lot.

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  • [–] 33 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    Per the Wikipedia article, fewer than 20% of the Seneca Village residents owned the land they lived on - most was owned by local landlords who were paid pretty exorbitant amounts for their land in the final settlements (the final cost of the land was more than the US would later pay for the entirety of Alaska, and the Wikipedia article also notes one landowner who made more than 10x on his initial investment).

    Also worth noting that of the ~1600 total residents displaced for the construction of Central Park, ~225 were from Seneca Village and large numbers of those displaced were also Irish and German.

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  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    The USA has always been hostile to non-white people.

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Shit, they were hostile to the wrong kind of white people for most of the time as well...

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    But they've fixed the issue of discrimination by now being hostile to everyone.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago*

    Improvement? Idk, but it's certainly more equitable.

    Look at this administration being all progressive and shit. They must have thought, hey, look, we shouldn't just be horrible to brown people, that's not a fair or just society.

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Africatown Mobile, Alabama

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africatown

    In recent years they've done an archeology mission to find the Clotilda.

    was formed by a group of 32 West Africans, who in 1860 were bought and transported against their will in the last known illegal shipment of slaves to the United States.

    So as I remember the story--and perhaps the references in the article will be more accurate, bur a slaver made a bet with somebody that he could still traffick slaves after it became illegal. He arrived in Mobile, AL with slaves on his boat and went to collect on his bet. He left the crew with instructions to burn the ship and everyone on board (i.e. get rid of the evidence) if he did not return. And that's what they did. The people who founded Africatown escaped the fire.

    The Wiki article says similar, but that the slaves were removed before scuttling the ship. Good if true, I guess. My memory isn't great.

    Edit: typos

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  • [–] 25 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Should have seen my face when re-watching The Pitt, getting to the part of the pacemaker/first paramedics arc. Opening wikipedia and being blown away by what I learnt.

    But no, let's keep the fact that "black people invented peanut butter" as the cool fact. Not "black people helped standardise first aid"...

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)
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    Well, add that to my watch list. But The Pitt is a modern medical drama in the ER. 15 episodes covering a 15 hour shift, edited to close to real time. Season 2 is steaming now

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago

    Sometimes we demolish black neighborhoods and then don't even build anything useful

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    On the one hand, every country has a fucked up history that they ain't teaching in classes. I learned most of my countries real history through reading books about this times

    On the other hand: the US has a particular brutal and fucked up history that they ain't teaching

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    On the one hand, every country has a fucked up history that they ain’t teaching in classes

    I don't think it is being intentionally obscured, it's just too specific for elementary or high school education. There's a chance a teacher could use it as spotlight type thing, but overall, that level of education is too broad.

    The US does teach about screwing over indigenous people and slavery.. well maybe not in red states. And now the current administration is whitewashing history.

    Also, it sounds like those two things are the same hand. What's your country?

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago

    Reminds me of Watchmen teaching a lot of Oklahomans about their black wall street.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    People are erased all the time, our job is to make sure they were at least documented and were. The current administration is trying to erase recent and distant history. Hoard the data. Keep the dates. Write it down on paper, but still, we are watching the library burn in front of us.

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