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[–] 52 points 9 months ago (8 children)

Remember when China sent their military into Hong Kong? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    It was a good attempt but the protestors failed and Hong Kong is occupied territory.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    That's... what I said? Liberated. Like China did to Tibet. And Russia is doing to Ukraine. For what is liberty if not being forcibly subjected to the laws of a foreign government asserting that the land and populace is theirs by divine/historical/imagined right? Sure Hong Kong governed itself perfectly well before Britain unclenched their greedy imperialist hands. And sure, China agreed to let Hong Kong continue to govern itself afterwards. But when it comes down to it, those people belong to China. They needed to be liberated from the idea that they were independent. Had those protestors simply submitted to The Party, a lot of hubbub could have been avoided.

    Should I lay it on thicker, or would an /s suffice? My internal Poe's Law is having a field day with this.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    And US to Venezuela, Iran and soon Greenland, or Israel to Libanon, Gaza and Cisjordania... Every imperialist countries are the same, including the western side. So it's hard to give any lesson...

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    Taiwan does claim to be the Republic of China, and to also own mainland China. Mainland China calls itself the People's Republic of China, and claims to own Taiwan and various other places.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Taiwan literally can't safely officially repudiate the 'one china' policy from their end because of the possibility that China would see that as declaring independence and potentially regard that as justification for military intervention. No-one in Taiwan seriously believes that it is conceivable to retake the mainland, nor any other historically old ROC territories.

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  • [–] -5 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Or, maybe, as they have long hoped, the US will put these children of a brutal aristocracy in 'charge' again.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    They would certainly struggle to do so but that doesn't stop the ROC wishing it would.

    Their hopes probably made more geopolitical sense many decades ago.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    You got any actual evidence that people in Taiwan actually wish for this in any appreciable numbers?

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Who, the indigenous Taiwanese, or the cancerous ancestors of brutal monarchists from the mainland?

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Sorry, are you calling all people of Han ancestry on Taiwan inherently "cancerous"?

    And I am asking for evidence that a significant amount of people, the majority of citizens of Taiwan seriously desire and hope for the mass annexation of China.

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  • [–] -5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Do you mean the people of Han ancestry on the island of Taiwan that claim sovereignity over parts of India, Russia, Bhutan, Pakistan, Japan, Afghanistan, Myanmar, Tajikistan; and all of Tibet, Mongolia and the People's Republic of China.

    Those people that imposed forty years of martial law on the population of the Island (commonly known as the White Terror) so as to commit Politicide, executing over three thousand, imprisoning over one hundred and forty thousand, not to mention killing between eighteen and twenty eight thousand to thwart a popular uprising. Those people that after two generations of crushing repression felt secure enough, in their possession over the Island's levers of power and capacity to generate income, to allow elections.

    Is it those people that you want me to speak to? Or are you trying to push this in some kind of 'All Lives Matter' direction?

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago*

    Do you mean the people of Han ancestry on the island of Taiwan that claim sovereignity over parts of India, Russia, Bhutan, Pakistan, Japan, Afghanistan, Myanmar, Tajikistan; and all of Tibet, Mongolia and the People’s Republic of China.

    Can I see some evidence that the majority of people of Han ancestry on Taiwan specifically, and seriously claim sovereignty over those territories and actually specifically plan and desire to launch a military assault to retake them?

    In regards to Mongolia specifically, they no longer claim this.

    Those people that imposed forty years of martial law on the population of the Island (commonly known as the White Terror) so as to commit Politicide, executing over three thousand, imprisoning over one hundred and forty thousand, not to mention killing between eighteen and twenty eight thousand to thwart a popular uprising. Those people that after two generations of crushing repression felt secure enough, in their possession over the Island’s levers of power and capacity to generate income, to allow elections.

    Sorry, are you claiming that every single Han Taiwanese person now are guilty by blood for what their ancestors did?

    Are you also claiming that every single Taiwanese person who was alive during the White Terror was inherently implicated in the actions of the regime? Do you hold the same position for Spanish people during the Franco Regime, or Chileans during the Pinochet regime? Are the current people of Spain or Chile all just "those people" in relation to their authoritarian periods?

    Is it those people that you want me to speak to? Or are you trying to push this in some kind of ‘All Lives Matter’ direction?

    No, I want you to provide evidence that the majority of the overall population of modern-day Taiwan specifically call for the invasion and annexation of the PRC and other territories that you mentioned.

    All I'm getting so far is you being massively racist.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, general knowledge. I agree that Taiwan should invade the mainland and take what is theirs.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Personally I'd say no, the government of mainland China has it's well known authoritarian tendencies, but it's still much better than a warzone or area under foreign military occupation would be, in the hypothetical case where the Taiwanese government gained the military capacity for this somehow, and Taiwan and the mainland have had decades for cultural divergence to occur, some extremely transformative decades at that, so close as they might still be, it would still be a foreign invasion for china at this point.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Based davel admitting ROC owns the mainland.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I seriously think that dude’s brain is damaged.

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  • [+] 1 point 9 months ago* (3 children)
  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Everyone, including Taiwan, was happy with the status quo

    Okay? It's still the status quo. The status-quo is Taiwan de facto independence. What's your point here?

    till Trump and Biden (who else besides nazis and neocons) decided to stir some shit and ruin the peace and prosperity of the region…

    How did they do that?

    Leave the SE Asia region alone and neither Taiwan or China will ever have a conflict…

    What if specific countries want US support?

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    That is the official stance of most of the world including Taiwan itself.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    As stated: Taiwan literally can’t safely officially repudiate the ’one china’ policy from their end because of the possibility that China would see that as declaring independence and potentially regard that as justification for military intervention. No-one in Taiwan seriously believes that it is conceivable to retake the mainland, nor any other historically old ROC territories.

    In terms of the rest of the world, 'one china' is expressed as a form of strategic ambiguity in reference to Taiwan.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Yes I'm aware of why everyone says the same thing officially, I'm just stating that everyone says it. Is hardly a unique thing to say.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Right, but I don't think that davel (shown in the OP) is being intellectually honest regarding the 'one china' policy and how the Taiwanese actually see it.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Perhaps, but the truth remains that both China and Taiwan have always claimed it is part of China. It's not an inaccurate thing to say. So it was a faulty argument to begin with because China was never claiming a Sovereign Nation that had never not been China according to everybody.

    It was always a poor argument especially when there are far better versions of that argument to make such as their attempted stealing of territory belonging to the Philippines.

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