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Libs: "RuSsIa MaN BaD!!" (lemmy.ml)
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[–] 49 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Both are bad and should be villified internationally and face repurcussions for their actions.

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    • [–] 31 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    So both should be villified for invading other countries, right?

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    [–] 65 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Just because Trump also breaks international law, doesn't make it better when Putin does it (and not the first time either). Yes, Russia Man Bad! 👍🏻 Orange Man Also Bad!

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  • [–] 31 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Joe Biden supported and enabled the genocide in Gaza, and every president before him committed invasions and war crimes. The fact that you think it's just a Trump thing and not a US empire thing reveals your geopolitical understanding to be puddle-deep. Hell, Putin was our guy. We put him there.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Trump is the president right now though

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    That is not an excuse to forgo object permanence and pretend Trump is an anomaly in any way except for how blatant he is. He's not a deviation from US policy, he's a distillation of it.

    Liberals were happy to close their eyes and support genocide when it was covered by the thinnest veil of decorum

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  • [+] [S] -17 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Well lets see the why shall we.

    Russia: Engaged in a military operation because of ever encroaching US imperialism via NATO and installing a Nazi puppet government against the wishes of the Ukrainian people as is the norm and attempting to liberate them

    US/Orange man; oil and stopped those EvIl CoMmiEs

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    • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Is there a sane reason why a man at an airport would be wearing all these hats?

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    • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (14 children)

    Let's send both Trump and Putin to the ICC in The Hague. How about that?

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    I agree, but only one of those 2 countries has proclaimed (in law if im not mistaken, but i may be wrong) that they would intervene militarily to prevent one of their own from being tried by the ICC, regardless of the actual crimes they've committed. And im talking about sending special forces to extract said alleged criminal against humanity, from another sovereign nation, abiding by its own laws.

    Guess which of the 2 I'm talking about? Russia is by no means the good guy, but its not a binary issue, as most people on the internet seem to react when these 2 countries are mentioned in the same sentence. Russia being 'bad' doesn't automatically make the US 'good' and vice versa.

    Sure, who's worse shifts back and forth over the years, but to my eyes, currently, the US is worse, and its been that way for a long time. Way before trump. Anyone who thinks this all started when trump took office, is a bit deluded.

    But you're 100% right, send both of them to the ICC, in an ideal world.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (9 children)

    Calling the court "a pathetic international organization", Dmitry Medvedev, the Deputy Chairman of Russia's Security Council, warned: "Gentlemen, everyone walks under God and missiles. It is quite possible to imagine the targeted use of a hypersonic Onyx missile by a Russian ship in the North Sea strikes in the Hague court building. Unfortunately, it cannot be shot down... So, judges of the court, watch the skies closely."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court_arrest_warrants_for_Russian_leaders#Criticism

    Russia’s top investigative body announced Monday that it had opened a “criminal” case against the prosecutor and judges of the International Criminal Court (ICC).

    The move comes as part of a concerted effort from Moscow to intimidate the court in the Netherlands, which on Friday issued an arrest warrant for Russian President Vladimir Putin over his part in “unlawful” forced deportations of Ukrainian children to Russia.

    Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev threatened earlier Monday to target the court in The Hague with missile strikes.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/putin-russia-icc-criminal-case-moscow-ukraine-war/

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago* (8 children)

    I don't think it's reasonable to equivocate a former president making a verbal threat, which still sucks, with an actual state apparatus signing it into law

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (7 children)

    Both are violent threats. US just used to be more legalistic about this sort of thing. I mean Russia also sentenced the judges in absentia in Russian courts. I don't think you could say they're better.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Better in what way, morally? Morality isn't real and the level of geopolitics is where it's the least real. From a practical, threat assessment standpoint, one of these things is much more urgent and pressing than the other.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    I mean yeah one of them is right now bombing another European country so Russia is obviously more alarming but the American threat is pretty bad too

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

    One of them is currently supplying and abetting a genocide, kidnapping heads of state, shooting people in the street during gestapo raids, disappearing activists to concentration camps, bombing countries on multiple continents, trying to topple the government of Iran and preparing for multiple invasions.

    The other is at war with the puppet government of exactly one country, which was committing ethnic cleansing and who we put there as part of our own strategy of aggression.

    I know who I consider the bigger threat to peace.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    I mean we were talking abou someone threatening to attack a European county (and one of them is doing that right now...)

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    A) Greenland

    B) We started the conflict in Ukraine

    C) I cannot stress enough how much bombing the Hague is official US policy

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago*

    There's no bombing going on in Greenland as far as I know. Lots of bombing going on in Ukraine. If bombing European countries isn't an official Russian policy then they've somehow misshot a lot of missiles.

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    • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    US man bad too. Come on.

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    [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    memes community

    posts tankie propaganda with no entertainment value

    I wonder why no one likes tankies?

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    [+] -7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Americans don’t like the USA taking these actions (well until the big fat orange blob actual does them, then his base instantaneously flips their opinion to being for it)

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I'm unsure on whether you'll receive a notification for this message, but if you have a lot of time to kill and enjoy podcasts you might wanna check out Blowback season 1 which deals with Iraq and explains the broader context. So many American liberals (and definitely the establishment) wanted to invade Iraq and they did, but since it's now considered to have been a bad thing so many liberals retroactively pretend they were always against it.

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