Wonder if conservatives knew they were voting to destroy all America's allegiances. Or if their brains were incapable of thinking that far ahead.
I'm gonna go with option 2.
Wonder if conservatives knew they were voting to destroy all America's allegiances. Or if their brains were incapable of thinking that far ahead.
I'm gonna go with option 2.
I really want to stress how deeply unpopular this is in the U.S. The MAGA movement is about 30% of the electorate, so you can generally expect that even the dumbest, most insane Trump decisions have a floor of 30% approval. 9% of Americans support this, 86% oppose it. At minimum, two-thirds of Trump's most rabid, loyal followers are against this.
Something I’ve learned in the last decade, no matter how unpopular a position, MAGA supporters will fall in line with the party rather than risk threatening the parties authority.
Maybe. MAGA is fracturing right now. Withholding the Epstien files really was too much for some of them, and Marjorie Taylor Greene's defection gave a lot of them permission to question and criticize him. Invading an ally for no reason might actually break through to good chunk of the average red hats.
False hope. Come election time Republicans will rally around some insane thing like "Democrats are eating babies" and they'll pull the lever for whoever has an R by their name. Even non-crazy people will tell themselves some half-baked story that starts with "Well, I don't like Trump but..." and do the same thing.
That's not what the special elections are showing. In last years special elections, Democrats have gained, on average, 14 points in districts that Trump won. Miami elected a Democratic mayor for the first time in 30 years. At the beginning of 2025, people were wondering if Republicans could hold on to the House. In 2026, they're speculating on whether or not Democrats will retake the Senate.
And this is all happening while Democrats have hit historically low approval ratings. Only 18% of voters approve of the job they're doing in Congress, including -6% approval in their own party. And still, voters want Democrats in charge of Congress, 47% to 43%. People hate Democrats more than they have ever hated Democrats in the history of Democrats, and they are still hate Trump more.
Can I interest you in an academic novel that comprehensively confirms your opinion? theauthoritarians.org
Thanks. They're comforting numbers.
Well, I hate to throw cold water on that comfort, but I'm not sure the numbers matter. Trump is increasingly unresponsive to polling, even within his base, and it seems like the Pentagon really is planning an invasion. It would fracture his own MAGA movement, completely destroy NATO, make America a global pariah, and potentially start WWIII, but it seems he is seriously considering it.
Ah I'm sure he's considering it and the planning is a given. I'm glad the bulk of Americans have some sense in this matter at least.
I have nothing to base this on but some guy on the internet said that he is demanding invasion & the top brass keeps trying to talk him out of it.
I read an article that claimed some top Generals are trying to distract him with an invasion of Iran (which is also really, really bad). Traditional neocons certainly don't want this, though; they don't want to throw away 80 years of military alliances. Still, if the president tells the Pentagon, "make me a Greenland invasion plan," they're gonna do it.
I hope those numbers can be turned into actions to stop Trump.
The elected officials need to be reminded what the vast majority of their voters want them to do.
As long as that idiot is in power those numbers mean nothing. Impeach him, vote in a new guy and then we'll talk.
So what? He will invade Greenland, get voted out and everything will turn back to normal? Because you disapproved of said actions?
LOL, no. As I already said in this thread:
Trump is increasingly unresponsive to polling, even within his base, and it seems like the Pentagon really is planning an invasion. It would fracture his own MAGA movement, completely destroy NATO, make America a global pariah, and potentially start WWIII, but it seems he is seriously considering it.
Approval isn't changing Trump's actions, and he's actively talking about canceling the midterms (though using his ICE for voter suppression is more likely). The only hope is that enough neocons tell him that they'll support impeachment if he fucks up NATO.
how deeply unpopular
He was elected twice. On both occasions those that didn’t care won.
30% isn’t deeply unpopular btw. That’s about 5-10%.
It’s bad enough that we’re reminded we have to stop and think about the Americans, let alone having to accept bullshit.
Anything less than having trump in jail for the rest of his putrid life is unacceptible
There is no God if Trump doesn't have a debilitatibg stroke. I want him alive, drooling, feeble but just mentality aware that death would be a kinder punishment.
We've come here because we punished people like him only with jail.
With a view from his cell of a golf course he'll never play.
I wouldn't even give him that. Solid reinforced concrete lit for one hour a day. No contact with anyone in any way. Let him stew
Change my mind: Literally zero people want Greenland to be part of the US except Donald Trump and the people who have trained themselves to always agree with Donald Trump.
The people who have trained Donald Trump to agree with them. They want oil, minerals, land, etc.
And then not have the capacity to refine the minerals so they have to send the stuff to China for processing
Are we already forgetting that trump invaded Venezuela for oil, then the oil companies said "excuse me but we can't profitably exploit their notoriously shitty oil"?
Part of being a literal Nazi is that the o.g. Nazis got themselves stuck in an increasing number of military quagmires not because they had to but because they refused to do consider the obvious peaceful solutions for their problems. The war machine had to be fed even at the cost of their own self-destruction.
Except this time they have a nuclear arsenal capable of wiping all civilization and somehow people aren't freaking out nearly enough about that.
They don't even have a fucking reason. Oh, it is an important strategic location? Good thing we already have a base there!
There you go. My current working theory.
P.S: wonder where the existing rare Earth metals went? Ask the planned obsolescence/anti-repair people and the Phoebus Cartel.
I believe the accelerationists want Greenland to join the US. Those guys are eager to see a nuclear war kick off.
literally zero? like literally? exactly zero Americans
what planet are you from
Greenland is the suicide capital of the world.
I'm pretty sure a lot of people are instinctively against US acquisition because they've been trained to think colonialism is always bad and what Trump does is always wrong.
they’ve been trained to think colonialism is always bad
There isn't a single colonial project that was/is benevolent. So yes, colonialism is always bad. Also fuck off with the "acquisition" euphemism. What the USA is proposing is simply stealing somebody else's land.
Greenland is the suicide capital of the world
You wanna pump those numbers up by subjecting them to US health care?
Looking at history, colonialism has always been bad for the indigenous people.
Similary looking at history, what Trump does has always been wrong.
Also fuck you, if you think you know better whats good for Greenland than people who live in there.
Are you actually arguing that the US should take Greenland? What in the actual fuck?
No, I would never disagree with the crowd.
The crowd is always right.
Trump may not always be wrong but it's certainly in the high majority of things he does. Currently I can't think of anything he has done that is actually positive.
List some instances where colonialism was good
Or trump did something that was good
Ffs. . . Putin is giggling in glee at the payoff from his agent in the White House, and all the time/effort spent on troll farms and blackmail.
Same with China, as Russia and US fuck around with this stupid shit, China's going ham on Large Scale clean/free Energy, Chip Design, Robotics and Space Exploration...
World is getting smaller, and goof thinks Greenland is going to be some kind of magical barrier?
A large percentage of the world finds Donald Trump being president of the USA unacceptable.
We have an authoritarian dictator in the white house surrounded by constant drip adderall'd sycophants. Most of us are scraping the barrel to get by because we are overworked and paid shit.
This is all by design. We are just expendable peons to them.
Tech bro billionaires getting unlimited investment for AI and other nonsense are working on plans for Greenland.
Wake the fuck up people. We have nothing to lose but our chains.
Wake the fuck up people. We have nothing to lose but our chains.
Nothing meaningful will change until that statement is more true than it is now. The reality is that most of us are still comfortable enough to not want to risk what we've got.
They are not just sycophants. They are themselves also fascists.
The only thing that is unacceptable, and remains so daily, is that tRump hasn't died from eating all those Big Macs
You know that guy that died from eating all of the big Macs. There is no justice in the world there really isn't.
The ONLY thing unacceptable? Seriously? There's so much unacceptable shit that saying there's only one thing is laughable.
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