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[–] 66 points 9 months ago (15 children)

Wonder if conservatives knew they were voting to destroy all America's allegiances. Or if their brains were incapable of thinking that far ahead.

I'm gonna go with option 2.

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Have you talked to a Republican or MAGA?

    They cheer on destroying relations with Europe.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    Have you talked to a Republican or MAGA?

    They cheer on destroying relations with Europe.

    They have been convinced that the entire world is somehow abusing the poor widdle usa.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    Unfortunately it’s not a position only MAGA takes. Horse shoe theory is real. There are extreme lefties who hate NATO and EU so much that they rather see the west fall completely apart and fall into chaos, since they think they will come on top when we crawl from underneath the rubble.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Right but is that 'horse shoe theory' because it just sounds like there are multiple reasons to support things.

    Horse shoe theory is nonsense.

    I dislike NATO since its a US protection racket and I dislike EU because they're forcing chat control and cowtowing to the US.

    I dont want the 'west to fall', I want to be free and sovereign from the US' war machine.

    I don't believe we'll naturally rise above if things collapse, but I do believe we'll be dead before too long if the US continues forward with its acts.

    Being pincered by Russia on the east and the US on the west is a pretty terrifying concept - if only China would save us.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago*

    Yeah we need to change things from within rather than burn it down to the ground and hope for some foreign savior who will probably act in it's own interest. Like the reason why the EU wants to turn itself slowly into a police state is only because the people have been voting for lib-right and Christian democrats for the last 30 years or so. If we had center left and left wing parties in power for that period instead the EU would have looked a lot different today. Change is still possible.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    The biggest psyop ever is Americans believing uncritically that they are the “freest”. Free to go into medical debt, free to have no access to healthcare, free to have 800,000 unhoused people, free to have entire towns of meth heads, free for kids to get shot up in school, free to be unhinged racist, homophobic and transphobic pieces of shit, free to disappear their own citizens, free to have a population that’s statistically morbidly obese, free to be mostly illiterate, free to have massive wealth inequality, free to never have dental care, free to elect a reality tv show host with dementia as their leader - twice 🤡

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  • [–] 35 points 9 months ago (2 children)
    1. they don't know what that word means
    2. they don't care what that word means
    3. they think america doesn't need anybody but america
    4. fuck anybody that is not america
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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Most Trump supporters probably can't even name more than 10 non-english speaking countries that aren't Mexico, Russia or China, and one their answers would probably be "Africa".

    International politics doesn't even come close to their thought processes during election time.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I honestly believe they didn't think that trump was actually going to go through with a lot of it, and that 'he talks a lot of shit, and triggers the libs' and that's it.

    I think they just wanted four more years of Trump term 1 which was retarded but certainly not this horiffic.

    There is still a wildly vocal support base online so it's hard to hear the voters who have silently realised their mistake.

    And yes it has cost allegiance, that won't come back as easily this time.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Things I'm seeing online are like ... "he does what he says/he keeps his promises" "better for the economy" ... fucked that none of those make sense and you'd have to be an idiot to believe

    So many believe in the whole American exceptionalism shit so I think they believe some of their shit is their birthright or something.

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  • [–] 62 points 9 months ago (20 children)

    I really want to stress how deeply unpopular this is in the U.S. The MAGA movement is about 30% of the electorate, so you can generally expect that even the dumbest, most insane Trump decisions have a floor of 30% approval. 9% of Americans support this, 86% oppose it. At minimum, two-thirds of Trump's most rabid, loyal followers are against this.

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  • [–] 33 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Something I’ve learned in the last decade, no matter how unpopular a position, MAGA supporters will fall in line with the party rather than risk threatening the parties authority.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Maybe. MAGA is fracturing right now. Withholding the Epstien files really was too much for some of them, and Marjorie Taylor Greene's defection gave a lot of them permission to question and criticize him. Invading an ally for no reason might actually break through to good chunk of the average red hats.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    False hope. Come election time Republicans will rally around some insane thing like "Democrats are eating babies" and they'll pull the lever for whoever has an R by their name. Even non-crazy people will tell themselves some half-baked story that starts with "Well, I don't like Trump but..." and do the same thing.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    That's not what the special elections are showing. In last years special elections, Democrats have gained, on average, 14 points in districts that Trump won. Miami elected a Democratic mayor for the first time in 30 years. At the beginning of 2025, people were wondering if Republicans could hold on to the House. In 2026, they're speculating on whether or not Democrats will retake the Senate.

    And this is all happening while Democrats have hit historically low approval ratings. Only 18% of voters approve of the job they're doing in Congress, including -6% approval in their own party. And still, voters want Democrats in charge of Congress, 47% to 43%. People hate Democrats more than they have ever hated Democrats in the history of Democrats, and they are still hate Trump more.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Thanks. They're comforting numbers.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Well, I hate to throw cold water on that comfort, but I'm not sure the numbers matter. Trump is increasingly unresponsive to polling, even within his base, and it seems like the Pentagon really is planning an invasion. It would fracture his own MAGA movement, completely destroy NATO, make America a global pariah, and potentially start WWIII, but it seems he is seriously considering it.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I have nothing to base this on but some guy on the internet said that he is demanding invasion & the top brass keeps trying to talk him out of it.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I read an article that claimed some top Generals are trying to distract him with an invasion of Iran (which is also really, really bad). Traditional neocons certainly don't want this, though; they don't want to throw away 80 years of military alliances. Still, if the president tells the Pentagon, "make me a Greenland invasion plan," they're gonna do it.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    So what? He will invade Greenland, get voted out and everything will turn back to normal? Because you disapproved of said actions?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    LOL, no. As I already said in this thread:

    Trump is increasingly unresponsive to polling, even within his base, and it seems like the Pentagon really is planning an invasion. It would fracture his own MAGA movement, completely destroy NATO, make America a global pariah, and potentially start WWIII, but it seems he is seriously considering it.

    Approval isn't changing Trump's actions, and he's actively talking about canceling the midterms (though using his ICE for voter suppression is more likely). The only hope is that enough neocons tell him that they'll support impeachment if he fucks up NATO.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    how deeply unpopular

    He was elected twice. On both occasions those that didn’t care won.

    30% isn’t deeply unpopular btw. That’s about 5-10%.

    It’s bad enough that we’re reminded we have to stop and think about the Americans, let alone having to accept bullshit.

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  • [–] 47 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Anything less than having trump in jail for the rest of his putrid life is unacceptible

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    There is no God if Trump doesn't have a debilitatibg stroke. I want him alive, drooling, feeble but just mentality aware that death would be a kinder punishment.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    With a view from his cell of a golf course he'll never play.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    I wouldn't even give him that. Solid reinforced concrete lit for one hour a day. No contact with anyone in any way. Let him stew

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  • [–] 134 points 9 months ago (22 children)

    Change my mind: Literally zero people want Greenland to be part of the US except Donald Trump and the people who have trained themselves to always agree with Donald Trump.

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  • [–] 56 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    The people who have trained Donald Trump to agree with them. They want oil, minerals, land, etc.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    Are we already forgetting that trump invaded Venezuela for oil, then the oil companies said "excuse me but we can't profitably exploit their notoriously shitty oil"?

    Part of being a literal Nazi is that the o.g. Nazis got themselves stuck in an increasing number of military quagmires not because they had to but because they refused to do consider the obvious peaceful solutions for their problems. The war machine had to be fed even at the cost of their own self-destruction.

    Except this time they have a nuclear arsenal capable of wiping all civilization and somehow people aren't freaking out nearly enough about that.

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    They don't even have a fucking reason. Oh, it is an important strategic location? Good thing we already have a base there!

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (1 child)
    • Venezuela: oil, because renewables are becoming more expensive due to all of the raw materials going into AI-related tech and the US needs a backup plan if shit hits the fan and their bets don’t pan out
    • Greenland: rare Earth metals, because they are the strategic bottleneck amongst said materials, and China stopped exploring them recently and I guess Australia and Canada are harder targets?
    • Can you guess why China is circling Taiwan so hard nowadays? Because they want TMSC in order to overcome their current chip production limits (nm/transistor count)
    • But why is that important? Because of Moore’s Law. We’ve hit the practical physical limits of transistor size vs molecular complexity with current manufacturing methods. We (humanity) are stagnating now, and can’t climb up The Kardashev scale no more.
    • But we can’t stop because our resources and time are limited. Our planet is on a clock right now. So their apparent solution is: secure/stockpile rare Earth metals, sufficient energy reserves, and production means to train AGI, because apparently someone at some point put the idea that AGI would be the solution to the manufacturing problem.
    • But this is all being exasperated by AI training since the start: resources invested, materials wasted, energy spent, planet heated/polluted. Now it’s a recursive problem and a self-fulfilling prophecy
    • And everyone is betting they can solve it first, the will be the ones that’ll win the AGI race, and save us because they’re the good guys and know what they’re doing. Our wise leaders will sacrifice anything to save their citizens, even their own public image (see how noble Trump/Putin/whatever are being?) to save the planet. The end will justify the means surely, and people will forgive them once they realise what was going on all this time. Poor them.
    • Nobody is even stopping to ask: “but what if we (countries) worked together instead of against each other?” because of people like Trump being in power.

    There you go. My current working theory.

    P.S: wonder where the existing rare Earth metals went? Ask the planned obsolescence/anti-repair people and the Phoebus Cartel.

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  • [+] -60 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    Greenland is the suicide capital of the world.

    I'm pretty sure a lot of people are instinctively against US acquisition because they've been trained to think colonialism is always bad and what Trump does is always wrong.

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  • [–] 39 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    they’ve been trained to think colonialism is always bad

    There isn't a single colonial project that was/is benevolent. So yes, colonialism is always bad. Also fuck off with the "acquisition" euphemism. What the USA is proposing is simply stealing somebody else's land.

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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago

    Looking at history, colonialism has always been bad for the indigenous people.

    Similary looking at history, what Trump does has always been wrong.

    Also fuck you, if you think you know better whats good for Greenland than people who live in there.

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Are you actually arguing that the US should take Greenland? What in the actual fuck?

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  • [+] -55 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    No, I would never disagree with the crowd.

    The crowd is always right.

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  • [–] 83 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Ffs. . . Putin is giggling in glee at the payoff from his agent in the White House, and all the time/effort spent on troll farms and blackmail.

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  • [–] 40 points 9 months ago*

    Same with China, as Russia and US fuck around with this stupid shit, China's going ham on Large Scale clean/free Energy, Chip Design, Robotics and Space Exploration...

    World is getting smaller, and goof thinks Greenland is going to be some kind of magical barrier?

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  • [–] 32 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    A large percentage of the world finds Donald Trump being president of the USA unacceptable.

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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    We have an authoritarian dictator in the white house surrounded by constant drip adderall'd sycophants. Most of us are scraping the barrel to get by because we are overworked and paid shit.

    This is all by design. We are just expendable peons to them.

    Tech bro billionaires getting unlimited investment for AI and other nonsense are working on plans for Greenland.

    Wake the fuck up people. We have nothing to lose but our chains.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    Wake the fuck up people. We have nothing to lose but our chains.

    Nothing meaningful will change until that statement is more true than it is now. The reality is that most of us are still comfortable enough to not want to risk what we've got.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    They are not just sycophants. They are themselves also fascists.

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    The only thing that is unacceptable, and remains so daily, is that tRump hasn't died from eating all those Big Macs

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