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[–] 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

China as commercial partner is way more reliable as the USA, apart the EU has finally approved Mercosur, creating with it the biggest common market in the world. The USA will lose all commercial partners in the future if they continue with their policies. The only problem is that there are still EU countries to submissive with the USA (Germany and some eastern countries).

Meanwhile the USA on the way to an civil war

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    China is off doing naval drills with Russia in South Africa right now. They're actively working against Europe in Ukraine. Not really a trustworthy partner for anything.

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  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    History started yesterday, i see.

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  • [+] -13 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    In yester-year China invaded their friends and allies India & Vietnam. Not long Before that Europe was inventing entirely new ways to shaft over the rest of the world. There's really no such thing as a "trustworthy" partner in geopolitics, just Alligned incentives&ideologies

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  • [+] 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)
  • [+] -14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Didn't realise I mentioned to US in my comment

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago* (7 children)

    China is off doing naval drills with Russia in South Africa

    So are western countries as well and don't see you crying about it?

    They’re actively working against Europe in Ukraine.

    Insisting sanctions to be decided in the UN and not unilaterally by the west when it's NATO expansion that triggered the war is not working against Europe. Providing a framework for peace and trying to facilitate peace talks is not working against Europe. Being the largest trading partner of Ukraine is not working against Europe.

    Not really a trustworthy partner for anything.

    Europe and the US are right?

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  • [+] -10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I was talking with a Russian expat about"nato threat to Russia", and he just replied laughting "what threat?"

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  • [+] -21 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I'm just stating facts. China is a geopolitical rival that cannot be trusted by the EU. Less militarily dangerous than Russia, but economically dangerous in every way.

    You seem very emotional about it though.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (31 children)

    Why is there so much Chinese propaganda on lemmy?

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  • [+] 18 points 9 months ago (19 children)
  • [+] -11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (18 children)

    The political discussion here would be much more enticing if these "communists" actually supported communist ideals. This is just state worship.

    Leftism is dead and buried. Look up the concept of a "deformed worker's state" and tell me it doesn't describe China to a tee.

    Trotsky was right and was assassinated for it.

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  • [+] 8 points 9 months ago (18 children)
  • [–] -5 points 9 months ago* (17 children)

    Explain to me how denying history because it is shameful is a "communist ideal" and then we can talk.

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  • [+] 8 points 9 months ago* (17 children)
  • [–] -5 points 9 months ago* (16 children)

    We are discussing so-called "Communists" on this platform. You and I both know this place is crawling with history denialists (particularly the events of June 1989). Any "ideology" that is more concerned about preserving the image of the state over accepting responsibility is not an ideology worth my or anybody else's time. It's insulting and little and pathetic.

    I'm interested in the merits of communism, but all this platform does is re-hash the same state approved talking points over and over. It's tiring and isn't winning anybody with an ounce of morality over.

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  • [+] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (16 children)
  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    I don't agree witg the idea that "this place is crawling with history denialists."

    See the above comment for more detail

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  • [+] 6 points 9 months ago (11 children)
  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago* (10 children)

    Like I said. This platform prohibits posting anything other than the official stance of denialism.

    There are plenty of photos of the dead scattered around bloodied and mutilated.

    You expect me to ignore that and pretend it didn't happen?

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  • [–] -5 points 9 months ago* (8 children)

    painting a picture of us as claiming nobody died at all on June 4th

    People are actually constantly claiming this on this platform. You're again being disingenuous by claiming otherwise or have your eyes closed.

    The whole "tank man wasn't murdered" talking point is a pathetic attempt to deny the entire incident by re-focusing the incident on tank man and completely ignoring the events which lead up to it.

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  • [+] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (8 children)
  • [–] -5 points 9 months ago* (7 children)

    You're pathetic. I JUST explained the talking point to you and how pointless it was and you in your infinite wisdom knee jerked yourself into posting it.

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  • [+] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children)
  • [–] -5 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    You're deflecting by focusing on the square and not the pile of mutilated corpses because you cannot defend that.

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  • [+] 7 points 9 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    You're inventing a motive to suit what you already feel about communists

    Incorrect. I like communists. I like communism. I don't like denialism.

    I would like to be more involved but I cannot in good conscience join any group that participates in denialism and revisionism.

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  • [+] 5 points 9 months ago* (4 children)
  • [–] -4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Anybody know a forum for actual leftist?

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  • [+] 7 points 9 months ago* (3 children)
  • [–] -5 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    I'm not trying to achieve anything other than having a discussion with you. Apparently that's an unusual concept to you?

    You're the one who engaged me. You can't complain about a conversation you started and continued.

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  • [+] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    You've refused to stay on topic and deflected at every turn with irrelevant information. That's not a "constructive conversation" either.

    I do get passionate when it comes to these things. It's alarming and disheartening to see people's lives just shrugged off and disrespected.

    I do apologize for getting feisty at you.

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  • [–] -5 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    You and I both know I will be banned if I posted (the freely available) photos. It's easy to claim something never happened when you own and control the platform.

    You're being intentionally disingenuous and you know it.

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  • [–] 36 points 10 months ago* (9 children)

    Why is there so much anti-chinese propaganda everywhere else?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    China has an exhaustive control over the people even on internet (the great Firewall, because this everybody use an VPNm even Schools), but apart of this, the people have way more civil rights and services as those from the US. It isn't a democracy, but also by far not an bloody dictatorship as people say. In the Vivaldi forum we have a lot of users from China since a lot of years. "China is bad" is a pure falacy.

    https://www.thepackablelife.com/travel/journal/living-in-china

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  • [+] -8 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Not everywhere else, China bans speech that shows the party or the country in a negative light lol

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    You mean like the west is trying to do there to be a fifth column similar like they already do in Taiwan in order to further western capitalist interests? I take it you've actually never been on weibo

    Have you actually ever seen c/manufactureconsent?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    Sorry I couldn’t parse that first sentence could you rephrase?

    Also, I actually have been on Weibo but it really seemed too like… pop culture obsessed? Not my thing, plus my Mandarin sucked even back then when I was still actively learning it

    I have also seen c/manufacturingconsent.

    Anyway, I’m guessing you brought up Weibo as a “people can talk bad about the government there so clearly they don’t censor anti China speech” but that’s really not an argument.

    China is pretty open about its regulation of the media. I mean you’ve likely read the terms and conditions for some of their media platforms so you already know it’s against their policies to promote ideas contrary to the vision/interests of the CCP or create dissent or however they phrase it. I’m sure small comments slip through here and there because their impact is small and censorship takes effort, but major posts against the government are not staying up very long. (If you can find long standing / popular dissenting post on Weibo to prove me wrong I’ll change my mind on this)

    As for bringing up manufacturing consent and “what the west is trying to do” guess what buddy, if lots of people/organizations are doing a fucked up thing, it’s still a fucked up thing.

    To be fair, I think trying to ensure your citizens hear good news is actually a pretty good idea, but I’m not a big fan of censoring news in order to make that happen.

    Want to make the good news I see outnumber the bad 10:1? Fine, but leave the bad news in there. And I definitely don’t think organizations should censor their failures/problems. Admitting when you’ve made a mistake shows you’re trying to improve; hiding your mistakes makes you seem much less trustworthy in general.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago*

    Sorry I couldn’t parse that first sentence could you rephrase?

    Western hegemony works a lot with creating NGOs, Think-tanks, pushing their Social Media platforms, News agencies, etc. onto other countries to further their interests in these and undermining their sovereignity. If a countries recognize this and kick those out they are instantly labeled authoritarian or limiting their freedom of speech (of course it's no problem when it's happening in western countries e.g. RT, TASS with the outbreak of the war). It's what what my comment referencing manufacturing consent was hinting at

    against their policies to promote ideas contrary to the vision/interests of the CCP or create dissent or however they phrase

    The CPC is very popular and has 100M members, meaning pretty much everyone in their family has a member there. Long Term studies show that the Chinese are pretty much satified with their government. Allowing for open criticism is opening the gates for the west to undermine their sovereignity (it's not like the CPC isn't responding to it e.g. COVID restrictions after minor protests broke out)

    Want to make the good news I see outnumber the bad 10:1? Fine, but leave the bad news in there. And I definitely don’t think organizations should censor their failures/problems. Admitting when you’ve made a mistake shows you’re trying to improve; hiding your mistakes makes you seem much less trustworthy in general.

    I agree, but you underestimate the soft power the US and the west in general has pushing their narrative and undermining progressive movements worldwide. China, unlike the west, has been subject to imperialism so it's understandable to have a tighter grip on narrative (I mean the west and generally all nation states do that to some degree)

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

    What would I expect to find on weibo?

    Edit: why the dislikes? I'm just genuinly curious!

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago

    Among other things critique of the government and political discussios. China even has a hotline you can call for various complaints you have for the government to take care of. What you won't see is sinophobic Winnie's the poh memes "criticizing" le sissype

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Idol discussion.

    I'm not sure where others are getting the idea that it's not censored.

    When I was on a few years ago, it reminded me of Facebook.

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