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Can't partner with that eViL AuThOrITarIan china after all! (lemmy.ml)
submitted 10 months ago by to c/memes@lemmy.ml
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[+] -8 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Not everywhere else, China bans speech that shows the party or the country in a negative light lol

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    You mean like the west is trying to do there to be a fifth column similar like they already do in Taiwan in order to further western capitalist interests? I take it you've actually never been on weibo

    Have you actually ever seen c/manufactureconsent?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    Sorry I couldn’t parse that first sentence could you rephrase?

    Also, I actually have been on Weibo but it really seemed too like… pop culture obsessed? Not my thing, plus my Mandarin sucked even back then when I was still actively learning it

    I have also seen c/manufacturingconsent.

    Anyway, I’m guessing you brought up Weibo as a “people can talk bad about the government there so clearly they don’t censor anti China speech” but that’s really not an argument.

    China is pretty open about its regulation of the media. I mean you’ve likely read the terms and conditions for some of their media platforms so you already know it’s against their policies to promote ideas contrary to the vision/interests of the CCP or create dissent or however they phrase it. I’m sure small comments slip through here and there because their impact is small and censorship takes effort, but major posts against the government are not staying up very long. (If you can find long standing / popular dissenting post on Weibo to prove me wrong I’ll change my mind on this)

    As for bringing up manufacturing consent and “what the west is trying to do” guess what buddy, if lots of people/organizations are doing a fucked up thing, it’s still a fucked up thing.

    To be fair, I think trying to ensure your citizens hear good news is actually a pretty good idea, but I’m not a big fan of censoring news in order to make that happen.

    Want to make the good news I see outnumber the bad 10:1? Fine, but leave the bad news in there. And I definitely don’t think organizations should censor their failures/problems. Admitting when you’ve made a mistake shows you’re trying to improve; hiding your mistakes makes you seem much less trustworthy in general.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago*

    Sorry I couldn’t parse that first sentence could you rephrase?

    Western hegemony works a lot with creating NGOs, Think-tanks, pushing their Social Media platforms, News agencies, etc. onto other countries to further their interests in these and undermining their sovereignity. If a countries recognize this and kick those out they are instantly labeled authoritarian or limiting their freedom of speech (of course it's no problem when it's happening in western countries e.g. RT, TASS with the outbreak of the war). It's what what my comment referencing manufacturing consent was hinting at

    against their policies to promote ideas contrary to the vision/interests of the CCP or create dissent or however they phrase

    The CPC is very popular and has 100M members, meaning pretty much everyone in their family has a member there. Long Term studies show that the Chinese are pretty much satified with their government. Allowing for open criticism is opening the gates for the west to undermine their sovereignity (it's not like the CPC isn't responding to it e.g. COVID restrictions after minor protests broke out)

    Want to make the good news I see outnumber the bad 10:1? Fine, but leave the bad news in there. And I definitely don’t think organizations should censor their failures/problems. Admitting when you’ve made a mistake shows you’re trying to improve; hiding your mistakes makes you seem much less trustworthy in general.

    I agree, but you underestimate the soft power the US and the west in general has pushing their narrative and undermining progressive movements worldwide. China, unlike the west, has been subject to imperialism so it's understandable to have a tighter grip on narrative (I mean the west and generally all nation states do that to some degree)

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

    What would I expect to find on weibo?

    Edit: why the dislikes? I'm just genuinly curious!

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago

    Among other things critique of the government and political discussios. China even has a hotline you can call for various complaints you have for the government to take care of. What you won't see is sinophobic Winnie's the poh memes "criticizing" le sissype

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Idol discussion.

    I'm not sure where others are getting the idea that it's not censored.

    When I was on a few years ago, it reminded me of Facebook.

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