Abolishing ICE is the moderate position. Anyone who doesn’t think that organization needs to be completely dismantled at minimum either needs to wake the fuck up or is a fascist.
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This is fascism.
People are dying. People will continue to die. I'm saddened and scared by what is happening
Unfortunately, even if we make it through this, a lot of people are going to die. Hell, a lot died already thanks to orange shit mussolini downplaying covid.
Idk what's scarier, masked federal agents executing Americans on the streets or Americans continuing to do nothing about it. They, as a people and a society, are okay enough with this to not go out of their way to stop it.
Ahhhh yes it's actually our fault! How silly of us! I live in rural Arkansas without enough money to buy gas to get to Minnesota, so please do tell what you expect me to do.
Inform people what happened, explain to the ones that you know will listen and understand how as welly why it's wrong. How ICE is serving as an internal terror organization within this country. Not everyone can go out shooting but make a meal for those who do kinda thing.
What makes you think I don't do all of those things? I'm just not out killing people and then dying myself so what's the fucking point right? Blood for the blood god!
I read Judge Karen Immergut's final ruling in early November that blocked the National Guard from remaining in Portland. Its main point was that the violence they were sent to Portland to quell did not exist in reality.
In other words, Portland avoiding violent resistance allowed the judge to kick out the National Guard. The courts are holding, and so is the military. It's taking time, but they are not all going along with this, and both the judiciary and the military are required for a successful coup. In reality he's losing power faster than he can consolidate it.
Don't be blinded by single events. That's what they want. If you do not want a fucking occupation of your city based on the lie that they are there to quell violence, then violence is not the correct response at this point.
Given that avoiding midterms altogether is the entire point of all this escalation -- Venezuela, ICE murdering citizens, all of it -- I will not judge anyone sane enough to avoid it for now.
I suggest you do the same. By which I mean "Violence should be avoided, but . . ." is not actually an anti-violence statement.
anything you can, with anyone else who will. you want to know what doesn't help? doing nothing.
So many people act like it's no big deal to start a violent revolution against the most militarized government in history and it's fucking absurd.
not at all. but what it is, is necessary.
i know it's fucking crazy, but here we are. America has been taken over by fascists. They are not just going to leave. The suffering, for not just America but the world, will only get worse until the American public, the State governments, the military, do what needs to be done.
I'm sorry that America is at the point of Civil War, but it is. That fact isn't just going to go away. No one is coming to save America.
I honestly think, deep down, most Americans know this. But the reality of it, the shock of it, is just too great. The cognitive dissonance is too overwhelming.
but what it is, is necessary.
WRONG. Becoming violent at this point is the single most idiotic, stupid thing we could do right now.
That's what this escalation is designed to provoke.
Do you really think the US government does not know how to deal with violent protests? It's what they want.
“When it gets down to having to use violence, then you are playing the system’s game. The establishment will irritate you – pull your beard, flick your face – to make you fight. Because once they’ve got you violent, then they know how to handle you. The only thing they don’t know how to handle is non-violence and humor.” -- John Lennon
sure bud. good luck hugging your way to freedom while ppl die.
we all recall how historically fascism was defeated through hugs and jokes.
Nice try, tell that to Gandhi. There is a time and place for violence. This is not yet it. And Europeans were not the only ones who bled to free the world of fascism; you say that like you have a monopoly on it while I lost multiple members of my family to WWII. I don't have to push others into battle to satisfy my insecurity.
But what's really interesting is that you clearly have no understanding of this city, or what Minneapolis went through almost six years ago: this is not new territory.
Yet if you're convinced that violence truly is the answer, tell me what time your plane lands in Minneapolis and I'll meet you. I won't hold my breath: it's not like you have any real interest in being anything but a keyboard larper.
EDITED TO ADD: I took a look at your post history. Here's your recent post in /c/FuckTheUSA@lemmy.ca: "Everything about America is a lie. all of it. a lawless nation of slaves, cowards and fascists." If that's all we are, then why are you even here, other than to jack off over what's going on here?
Americans need to save America, not me, so don't pass the buck.
i would take you doing fucking ANYTHING useful, like a mass strike to shut down the economy. you don't do shit except wear chicken outfits while they kill you.
your country is a joke. a nation of slaves, cowards and fascists.
i would take you doing fucking ANYTHING
It's not your fight. Didn't you just say that? It's not yours to take or not take. It's nothing to do with you at all.
your country is a joke.
But it's such a joke you can't tear yourself away from any mention of it. It's such a joke that we're all you post about. You even post in "Fuck the USA" communities.
Yeah, we suck so bad and we're such a joke, but WE OWN YOUR HEAD, lol. Rent free!
IT HAS TO DO WITH EVERYONE YOU SELFISH CUNT! BECAUSE YOUR FUCKTARD COUNTRY IS THE MOST POWERFUL ON EARTH!
TELL THAT TO VENEZUELA! TELL THAT TO DENMARK!
Another stupid fucking American proving the point.
Except we're "a joke, a nation of slaves, cowards and fascists," you said. Can't do anything useful, you said. Won't fight, you said. Don't do anything but wear chicken outfits, you said.
But we're the most powerful on earth, AND we own YOUR FUCKING HEAD.
So if we're such losers, AND we're the most powerful on earth while doing nothing but wearing chicken suits and cowarding, my god what does that make you, lol.
jfc you're pathetic. turning this into a pissing contest because your fragile ego is hurt, completely missing the point.
what a fucking joke.
Do they not have mirrors in your shithole country? Because I'm not the one screaming in all caps contradicting myself keeping this going, you are. I can do this all night.
Why? Because America OWNS YOUR FUCKING HEAD, lol.
your own government murders your own people with impunity. you are ruled by a psychopath pedophile. and this is how you behave. this is your response.
good luck, Ghandi.
Name a country that has never murdered its own citizens, or been ruled by a psychopath. They're not going to admit to pedophilia, so that's not provable. Hint: there are none.
And yeah, you laugh at Gandhi (learn to spell his name) and satyagraha, but tell me, where is the British Empire now, the one upon which the sun never set because it spanned the globe?
You mock the idea of not fighting, and all you're telling me is that you've never fought. Because if you had, if you'd ever protested, you'd know it takes far more courage to walk toward a bat for what you believe than coming in with the weapons they're already waiting and very well prepared for.
You have no idea what you're even talking about, but you dare to lecture others, in a country you do not live in, to fight battles that you personally have never even come close to. All you're telling me is that you're very likely a 13 year old edgelord who has rented his mental faculties to the USA, permanently and without rent, lol.
Thank you for thinking of us!
your words are as empty and meaningless as your actions.
To you, yes. I didn't say that your mental faculties were larger than a fucking broom closet, lol. I only said we own them.
Thank you for thinking of us! It's so heartwarming to know you'll never stop!
you only debase yourself. typical American.
Child, I have to go to work. So off you pop. Have a lovely day.
And thank you for thinking of us, lol! At least I know we Americans will never leave YOUR thoughts!
Why would I be debased? I've fought my battles. I know who I am. I'm not unlearned enough to know there's more history than what's happened in the last five minutes, nor insecure enough to have to troll foreign communities and foreign nationals with ignorance, insults, and completely feigned valor because doing so eclipses living in my mom's basement.
Your life must really suck and be completely empty for you to engage in this kind of distraction from it. You keep coming back with childish replies that reveal your complete ignorance not only of history, but of yourself, completely unaware that the person you speak of is yourself.
Again, do they not have mirrors in your shithole country? Because you sorely need one, kid.
But thank you for thinking of us! WE OWN YOUR HEAD. You can't let go!!!
Americans doing nothing about it is far scarier. We all knew the first thing has been coming for decades.
While speaking at an unrelated press conference in Brownsville, Texas, Kristi Noem said today’s shooting in Minneapolis was provoked by an “act of domestic terrorism”.
The homeland security went on to say that the immigration agents on the scene were “attempting to push out their vehicle” due to the snow in the city. “The woman attacked them and those surrounding them and attempted to run them over and ram them with her vehicle. An officer of ours acted quickly and defensively shot to protect himself and the people around him,” Noem said.
This dumb bitch seems to think outright lying - when video shows a completely different story - is the way to go.
Using 1940s propaganda tactics when the internet exists
It's working. Republicans/MAGA are totally okay with anyone that doesn't like them being murdered. They're all enemies and should be approached as though they're dangerous.
and 2020s internet is a shocking direct parallel to the nazi mass media mechanism in the 1930s and 1940s.
Russia's authoritarian playbook (which the current GOP administration is using) isn't about lying in an articulate way. It's about flooding the zone with excuses and lies such that the average person will choose to tune it out rather than to engage.
I'm sure that pointing out the narrative's glaringly obvious inconsistencies is going to land Russia in very hot water over the shoot down of that civilian airliner over Ukraine in 2014. Any day now. Any day now... Just one more "le epic debunk".....
Can confirm. I've tuned it out. I can't anymore. I'm sorry. I choose happiness. It's pushing me further and further offline.
I do think you're absolutely right. I know people doing exactly that — checking out — and it does seem like a common response. It is understandable, a lot of people just can't deal with all that garbage being firehosed into their faces, and the level of crazy ratcheting up through the ceiling. And that reaction of checking out is one of the intended effects of the strategy of "flooding the zone". Glad you pointed that out.
This is Trump's response 🤮

I mean, everything Some Fucking Idiot says is a lie, pretty much. But we absolutely know this one is a lie because there is no way he watched a video longer than five seconds that didn't include people shouting his praises.
He wasn't even touched by the car...
Lol way too coherent to be Trump. Which sycophantic traitor wrote (or pasted from an LLM) this bullshit I wonder
So, I live here, it’s also 45 degrees today. I don’t think you can even get stuck in the snow today. Unless you’re not on pavement.
Not that the lies need to be pointed out, they’re obvious without that… but still.
To be fair, it is the result of domestic terrorism. But pretty much the opposite of the way she means.
Look at those Twitter comments watching a video of the guy literally throwing himself in front of a moving vehicle, and agreeing she tried to run him over. Nevermind that we have idea why they were even demanding it in the first place.
This dumb bitch seems to think outright lying - when video shows a completely different story - is the way to go.
It's all she's got, so she's going with it, carefully reading the statutes, so she can make sure she hits all her bullet points.
Bottom line: This a manufactured murder, meant to inflame the citizens, and become a rationalization for Martial Law, and suspension of the Midterm election. MAGA cannot lose the House majority, or else Democrats will have investigative powers, with full subpoena and arrest powers. They are unlikely to squander the opportunity this time, like they did under Biden.
So MAGA almost have to stop the election, and this is the start of it. We have never missed an election in this country, not even during the Civil War, so suspending this one, at this point in our history must be a BRIGHT RED LINE. If he invokes Martial Law, and suspends the election, it's the end of American Democracy, and it's Civil War.
manufactured murder
Yes. That's one of the most striking things I got from the video, that the murderer went from getting out of his SUV to shooting his gun in just a few seconds, as though that was what he got out of his car to do.
Also, I have gun experience but not with automatics, so I don't know enough to say with certainty one way or another, but I did not see him disengage his safety, meaning that there is some non-zero chance he already had the safety disengaged when he got out of his vehicle.
All of your points are excellent, and you're right. We HAVE to avoid violent response -- for now -- if we do not want to speed up the destruction of what is left of our democracy.
EDITED to correct myself: I watched the video again and the shooter was already standing toward the hood of her car; the individual exiting the SUV I referred to above was not the actual shooter.
somehow, the DNC i cant trust them to not squander it. they only ever use as a campaign talking point and then drop the issue once in power, thereby achieving nothing. Plus the donors are both parties will insure nothing will happen. the only way things will change if there is more aoc, or bernie types in congress, not AIPAC SHIlls.theres at least 13 democrats in senate that is up for re-election this year, chuck shcumer is trying to shield them by using 8 sacrificial lambs that arnt up for re-election.
Democrats will have investigative powers, with full subpoena and arrest powers. They are unlikely to squander the opportunity this time, like they did under Biden.
Source?
For what? The fact that they'd have investigative powers? That's the Constitution.
That they are unlikely to squander the opportunity this time? That's personal speculation, but I doubt a Democratic House is going to sit still this time. They don't have a president in office to protect, for one thing.
Did you just wake up, Rip Van Winkle? These people don't care about "mechanisms." WTF? If he wants to suspend elections, he'll do it, make up some cockamamie excuse, and every MAGA will buy it.
All he has to do is declare Martial Law, and he can do anything he wants, or at least he will feel that he can, and he will exploit that illegitimate power mercilessly. When we're under Martial Law, suspending elections will be the least of our problems.
I was also predicting that he would definitely attack Venezuela for their oil, and plenty of people disparaged me for that, too, and here we are. I've taken a lot of heat for many of my predictions that have come true over the last decade. It seems that many people still don't believe that Donald Trump is far worse than we even know, and that however bad we think he might behave, he will always surprise us, and be worse than we expected.
He's already been "joking," multiple times, that he thinks they should suspend the Midterm. We have already seen many, many times, that's how he floats an idea in advance, getting people ready for it. He's going to try to suspend the Midterm Election. He has to. His life and freedom literally depends on it.
Elections are a state-managed process, and no Blue state is going to honor his suspension, and I'll bet quite a few Red states won't like it either, and defy that order as well. They have a lot more elections going on than Congressional Reps.
It will be an interesting and unique confrontation. And MAGA will likely lose the battle, and then they get desperate and dangerous.
Jfc I can't believe anyone still clings to this hope.
Must be under 30 and/or failed History class.
This dumb bitch seems to think outright lying - when video shows a completely different story - is the way to go.
All available evidence suggests she's correct (about lying, that is ... it's never stopped any of her MAGA superiors).
Fuck this hurts. Probably because it's so true. I really don't want it to come to it, but I'm gradually realizing I may have to protect myself from people I know and love.
What is it about giving permission for violence that draws people? Like I'm an ex boxer, and even I avoid street fights at all cost!
Like I'm an ex boxer, and even I avoid street fights at all cost!
You probably saw Con Air and don't want to end up in Nicholas Cage's role from that movie, I'd reckon, as well!
Whoa! You don't know me like that. But it seems you do.
ICE is a terrorist organization ran by Nazis
ICE are our Gestapo.

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