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It's hard to justify Tahoe icons (tonsky.me)
submitted 10 months ago by to c/apple_enthusiast@lemmy.world
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/41205852

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.bestiver.se/post/842884

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[–] 10 points 10 months ago (11 children)

I guess we're past the era when apple was known for at least having good design

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    The Liquid Ass guy didn't have any previous experience in UI design, he came straight from advertising. Guess that's what happens when you put an advertising dude in charge of redesigning your entire software line-up's UI/UX.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    it did make things feel better and easier-to-interact though ... on the touchscreen ipad. it looks like hell on macbook

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I’m one of the weirdos who likes it on Mac, not so much on mobile. I prefer gnome over Liquid Glass though I think.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    Android–Linux user here. I've always been a big fan of GNOME; I'm amazed at how polished it is. I got the sense it approached macOS levels (I'm not a macOS user). This is the first time I've seen an actual user say this.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Tbf the overlap of Apple user and Linux user is generally small I think. I own most Apple devices that exist but I also have a Linux based desktop. Can’t say I strongly dislike one or the other in the way many do. I also generally like android but ios is a generally more private (vaguely) and more secure experience than android without graphene. I definitely despise windows though. UI, usability, and bloat are all ridiculous. Also powershell is and always will be the bane of my existence. Also what is the filesystem over there even doing lol. I have to use it for work and I swear everyday I find a new reason to hate it. In that regard it’s magical I suppose.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    Nah, it's arse on the iPad. They decided to try and turn the iPad into some kind of hybrid desktop device, akin to Windows 8. The old split-screen and slide-over apps are gone, and now you're stuck with this intensely awkward windowing system that is much slower to work with than the old system.

    For example, in the past if you wanted to take a screenshot you could do so by sliding your finger up from the bottom left corner. Now that shrinks your window, and you instead have to do that awkward power/volume click.

    They re-added slide-over apps, but only in the shitty windowing system. The device has a screen that's like, 10-11", why does it need a windowing system? It's tiny.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (1 child)

    I consider multitasking a discrete part of the OS, not Liquid Glass. i do have some thoughts on it though

    for what it's worth there are gestures they don't tell you that make the multitasking so much easier: toggle maximization by tapping the top of the window, and then as they mention you can snap it to either side by smashing the window in a direction

    also they added back drag and drop to Split View in iPadOS 26.2. after three months they finally have a stable release of this multitasking thing

    I have found multitasking useful especially with stage manager, but I completely understand those who don’t like it and just want an option to restore the old multitasking. I also miss Quick Notes (workaround through a shortcut button just isn’t the same)

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Thank you. I had no idea they half-fixed it in 26.2. They half-arsed the slide-over thing in 26.1, but having to manage the side-by-side and whatnot by long-pressing the traffic lights and selecting a menu item just felt like arse. It took a decent amount of fucking around but I think I finally understand how this new system works.

    Still not super fond of it and would prefer the old split-screen system, but it's much better than not having it at all. I don't get why they need to waste so much screen real-estate with this new design. Everything is so big and clunky.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    It’s terrible on iPhone

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago

    i find it great on the iphone too, especially with the new swipe interaction to go between tabs (not the safari kind; like in the app store swiping from today to apps). the cornering of buttons works wonders. plus i personally dig the aesthetic though i understand a ton of people don't

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    • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    This was a fantastic article, thanks for sharing

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    • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Write an article about good UI. Post it on a page where it is snowing so it becomes incredibly annoying to read.

    The irony is golden.

    For one moment I thought it might mess wit AI bots. But no it probably does not.

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    • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    truly a good piece, thanks for this

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    • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I can’t help but feel UI design peaked in the mid 90’s, but that may just be mid-life man yelling at clouds.

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    • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    "hard to justify", on par with "mostly harmless" turn-of-phrase (9)—ＷＯＮＤＥＲＦＵＬ

    (i mean like the expression itself lol i love it i'm stealing it; my goodness what have they done with the menus)

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    [–] 16 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    I love how that page adds snowfall over itself... Cluttered, distracting snowfall.

    Irony is dead... Long live irony

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    They also use a snowflake icon for light\dark mode rather than, you know, toggling the distracting falling element.

    But, the article does bring up a lot of a valid points

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    It does toggle it. But they don't disappear, just new ones stop falling in, so the existing snowflakes still need some time to exit the screen.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    To their credit there is a button in the top navigation menu that turns off the snow.

    ...Also there's a night mode button but it completely hides the entire page except for a spotlight you control by clicking around? Interesting feature but I'm not sure I understanding it.

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    • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    The original Mac OS human interface guidelines are full of great stuff like this.

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    • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Is soot supposed to be pouring off the top of the screen? Thats awful.

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    [–] 18 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Sorry. Hard to read about bad UI when there is JavaScript snow distracting from the content, unless was that just a delicious twist.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    There is a snowflake icon in the upper right that turns it off and changes the background to yellow, but yes, it does undermine their credibility. Using an actual hamburger icon for a little menu might be some whimsy but also somewhat relies on someone being aware that the standard 3 horizontal bar menu icon is often referred to as a “hamburger menu,” again undermining their argument.

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    • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    really interesting, I definitely think keybinds should be listed alongside options for usability though

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    [–] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Great read, but my phone is blazing hot after getting to the end. Might have to do with the falling snow animation.

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    • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    The only valid argument for icons beside menu items is to consistently differentiate between menu items in a way that spans localized text.

    As the article points out, Tahoe fails at this.

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    [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    I'm convinced.

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